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I just wish Pandora would let you stream 192kbps to phones instead of just the web browser. ]]>Sep 4th 2009 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 1:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
There is no such thing as "buy vs rent"
There is only "buy and rent vs buy only"

I love my Zune Pass, but it hasn't replaced purchasing music for me. When there's an album I want to buy, I buy it outright from Amazon or Zune Marketplace. When something pops in my head and I want to listen to it a few times but I'm not at all interested in spending money on it, I download it from the Zune Pass.

Basically, I purchase stuff that I want to keep, and I rent lots and lots of other stuff that I'm not really interested in having in my collection permanently. It keeps my playlists nicely rotated and when I get sick of hearing something I can just delete it and not worry about whether or not I made a bad investment.]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/> Now if Apple will just approve that Rhapsody app so I can finally get my stream on.

Yeah, lets all BEG apple to approve it. Please approve it, Apple. I will keep giving you a lot of money to just to beg you to approve an app so that I can listen to some streams. PLEASE PLEASE.
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That's partly why most iPhone users will never leave iphone and why cellular phones like Storm that store music on transferabble memory cards will never keep customers locked in to them.]]>Sep 4th 2009 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
But I mean for all of you who think renting music is a bad deal think about this.

If you buy 30,000 songs to fill up a 120 GB MP3 player you will pay $30,000
If you pay for the Zune pass for the next 100 years it will cost you $18,000
It's probably worth noting that you can download more than 30,000 songs with the Zune pass.]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
Frostwire instead?
Limewire is the way to go,
its so easy to use. Why go through the hassle of torrenting , too much work to get songs.

Its 2009, Get with the times.]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
"That's partly why most iPhone users will never leave iphone"

Is it Apple's fault they made such a flawless phone that dominates the market?

People can leave Apple if they want, but no one wants to, so stop blaming the company that offers the services. No one is holding a gun to your head.]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
Torrents = Ideal way to obtain full albums or the entire discography of an artist.
Limewire = Ideal way to obtain singles, particularly antiquated singles that aren't mainstream anymore.

If I want to download a somewhat random song from [choose any decade prior to this one], it may very well be the case that I am unable to find a torrent that is well-seeded. That's when I hop on Limewire, pop in the name of the song, and download it nice and quick-like.

Amirite?]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
Seriously Limewire? Frostwire? Torrents? Why are people so dumb. Join a forum and download albums from hosting company as a free user (Megaupload, Rapidshare, Netload, MediaFire, ect.) then if you download a lot, pay the $7 a month. I can download a full album in about 2 minutes and I can find 1080p movies that I can download in less than an hour (around 6-8gb). That is worth every penny.]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 12:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
If it was 25 cents a song, okay, that's reasonable. But when you're paying $14 for 14 songs, it's the same cost as a CD minus a disc, case, artwork booklet, and the ability to trade it in for cash if you get sick of it. Not to mention the 99 cent songs are MUCH lower bitrate than CD. Why not bring your own "Apple Lossles" codec to the table, Apple?

If you have anything better than a $50 pair of speakers hooked up to your music playback devices, you owe yourself a CD, FLAC, or Apple Lossless.]]>Sep 4th 2009 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
And that's why you are an asshole. Hey dimwit, you may want to grab a dictionary and look up the word "FREE", because I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't mean what you think it means. Music is NOT FREE unless the artists themselves put it up for free. In every other case, music costs MONEY. You think just because you can download it, it's not stealing?

Jackhole. If I break into your house and steal everything you own, does that mean it was free because I walked out the door with it? How do you even function on a day to day basis without knowing the difference between something being free, and stealing it?]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
I don't think any of us would steal a car, but we would all certainly pirate one.]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
Read that quote and tell me its not the most ridiculous thing ever. SERIOUS music listening, really? Like while you are at a Bloodsport competition with JCVD? Or when your getting in shape like in Rocky? WTF is serious music listening.

Music is seriouz bizness.]]>Sep 4th 2009 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
How does calling it piracy change anything? You are taking something that costs money without paying for it. End of story, period, finis. Your car analogy is idiotic and simply proves that you really don't have any problem with taking things that don't belong to you. Stop defending piracy, you moron. People who make music for a living deserve to be paid for it.]]>Sep 4th 2009 3:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
When you buy music, you are buying the right to listen to it. Regardless of whether you download it or steal it from a record store, you have not paid for the right to listen to it. Despite your protestations on this point, there is no difference between pirating and stealing music. NONE. Maybe this is the point you need to be clearer on. Trying to say it's not stealing because you're still leaving a copy on the server is complete bullshit. No matter what you call it, the artist is still not getting paid, hence it is theft. You're aware that theft of intellectual property is an actual crime, right? And that if you steal somebody's IP there is still a "copy" left? It's still theft.

No more trying to justify this position from you, as it is an indefensible position.]]>Sep 4th 2009 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 5th 2009 2:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
The metaphor you use is a little bit deceiving and seeks to make piracy sound innocent by applying it to items that are not a source of income for the person you are "pirating" from. Pirating music doesn't hurt the person you download it from (unless they are caught or have metered bandwidth). Regardless, I can see the point you are trying to make, and yes, they do break different laws, but the morals shouldn't be different. When it comes to right and wrong, wrong being defined by breaking established laws, either of these would be considered immoral. The problem is, because digital piracy is so easy and generally doesn't cost the "pirate" anything to commit, people generally don't think about what it is they are actually doing, or they just don't care because it doesn't feel like they are doing something wrong. - I suppose this would mean that their morals are somewhat skewed.

Would you take a video camera in to a movie theater to record a movie? Probably not, but if you did, you would know you were doing something wrong. Would you buy [popular name brand] clothing and make copies for your friends or the general public to take as they pleased? Unlikely, because it would take a considerable amount of money. Would you buy DirecTV programming and redistribute to your paying customers? - Don't answer that.]]>Sep 8th 2009 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
I'm paying 9c a song for non-drm music from the service i'm using. ]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
The EngadgetMobile podcast talked about music on mobile platforms and how really the only platform so far, that consumers really feel is good, is the iPhone. They marketed it properly as an iPod, not a phone. I think the only way we can get streaming music onto consumer markets, is really mostly in the US. I'm not being racist or biased here, but this is one of the largest music consumers in the world. Other countries still rely on radios, or more developed countries just don't have the consumer base. The internet continues to expand, and the lack of a unified internet radio front has weakened the progression of streaming. We can't comprehend that internet streaming is actually internet radio. That's why the FM tuners for iPods and iPhones are so popular, consumers still rely on the radio. The only way to change this is to make your phone an omnipotent device, by getting news stations to work together and stream their news on a realtime internet app, there are some apps out there but you need to switch from one another, and its not always realtime, there are no realtime talk shows on the internet being streamed onto your phone.
Podcasts were the old option, now that streaming has become more commonplace, live streaming is the only option, the internet is a huge pack-rat, it needs be able to stream 24/7 or put casts on loop and add in actual traffic news and tailor that app to your location. We have geolocation on most of our phones now, and even dumbphones can do that. This can only be possible with smartphones becoming cheaper and internet plans becoming standard instead of an accessory. In the end location-based realtime streaming with a omnipotent platform and a ubiquitous "radio" is needed to really needed to make your idea into a real plan, Nilay.

]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 6th 2009 6:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/i dont download music, i buy it all on CD off places like ebay and trade-in shops, getting me an album for about £2-£4 (itunes charge about £5-£10 an album). the most irritating thing is that i now have 4 crates of CDs dumped in my garage and none of them are being used because its all on hard drives! ]]>Sep 4th 2009 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/Sep 4th 2009 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
What I love about napster is that you can start browsing one artist, not hesitate to download their stuff and somehow find yourself at a totally different artist. I love the suggested artists and user recommendations, that's worth half the price as it is.

now I also paid for tunebite which is a great program. it was 30 dollars and it takes your drm tracks and plays them in the background using your soundcard. it rerecords them (much like you would on the radio) and then saves the format as an mp3. this way I can put them on my iPhone. I thought long and hard and I feel that this is completely legal, after all, people record radio and televison onto permanent formats all the time. and I read the eula, it does not manipulate the actual wma file in any way shape or form.

it's a pretty slick solution. until apple releases some kind of subscription i don't see why i'd use any other service]]>Sep 4th 2009 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/entelligence-stream-on/
I'm sure it's not a matter of figuring it out. In the US at least, I think the real barrier is the cell provider. They're working on mostly outdated infrastructure, and they're barely keeping up with the growing demand for cellular bandwidth used for data. What if half of all cellphone users started streaming music on their phones?

In general, though, hardware technology might be just as much a limiting factor. How long will a battery in a small to medium sized phone last if you're streaming music in addition to surfing, checking emails, texting, and sometimes actually making a call? Apple already limits what's capable on the iPhone due to the impact on battery life.

You could have the greatest mobile multimedia experience in the world, but if you need a backpack full of batteries to make it last longer than an hour, it's probably not worth it. ]]>Sep 4th 2009 2:14PM