http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 9:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Apple may be a lot of bad things, but 'socialist' is not the word you're looking for.]]>Sep 8th 2009 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Apple is closed source. If you morons don't like that, don't buy Apple. It's really, really that simple.

I don't even know why most of you bitch. Do most of you even own an Apple device of any sort? Or are you just bitching in the wind?]]>Sep 8th 2009 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 12:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Little_Rock_integration_protest.jpg/500px-Little_Rock_integration_protest.jpg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_xQ-ns5whw]]>Sep 8th 2009 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
People need to stop mollycoddling Apple and call their SDK what is: a fraud.]]>Sep 12th 2009 2:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
PORT THESE APPS TO OTHER PLATFORMS!

BB, Android, Win mobile, Symbian, and Palm.

Stop putting all of your eggs(apps) in one basket, and Apple will be forced to stop playing games with developers, as all the developer has to do is pull their program from their store but still have them available for Apple competition.

Apple has more to lose from that. Too bad too many developers are to iStar-struck to realize that they are the ones with the real power.

Dont have Apple reject your apps. Reject Apple's platform.]]>Sep 8th 2009 9:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Do you think nobody's tried that? It's typically worth it for the developers to give in to Apple's demands, because the sales are better than on competing platforms.

That said, in this case, I don't think your comment really applies. I'm fairly annoyed when Apple rejects applications that compete with their own business or other reasons that just don't make sense. That's not the case here. The BASIC interpreter is a substantial security risk, and as an iPhone owner and application developer, that's perfectly acceptable to me.

Most legacy code in Windows comes about because ISVs break the platform's rules and do stupid things (just have a read through http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/ for examples). As a result, Microsoft's hands are tied when they want to make changes to the platform. It's not just legacy code, either - some highly important applications written for Windows make use of all kinds of security holes and bugs that can't be fixed because they'd break applications. This results in the platform being something of a mess and it tries to mix fixing bugs with the practical realisation that some important customers depend on those bugs.

Apple take no nonsense and aren't afraid of telling even their most important ISVs to go back and do things right (just look at 64-bit Carbon, Adobe and Microsoft are both mighty angry about that one!). Similarly, Apple aren't afraid of telling developers to scrap the code which might be a security hazard. Yes, its annoying when an important application is delayed because of Apple's draconian demands, but it's better than letting developers do whatever they want, because if you leave them alone they'll trash the platform.]]>Sep 8th 2009 10:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
No, this is all about control. Apple wants no other scripting or programming languages or runtime interpreters so that its app store remains the sole means of putting applications on to the device. Period.]]>Sep 8th 2009 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Whatever for as its been done allready. Theres even osf version of c64 emulator or a ton of others:

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Emulators_on_Symbian_S60_3rd_Edition_devices.php

c64 emulators been around for at least 6 years.]]>Sep 8th 2009 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Apple have used their control over the AppStore to generally annoy their user base, and I hate it, too. But that didn't happen here and the inclusion of 3rd party email clients and now even Spotify suggest that they are at least trying to loosen things. They don't want the negative publicity, Phil Schiller has better things to do than email every developer whose app gets rejected, and I bet they don't enjoy the fact that they have to pay people to moderate all this junk. Security remains an issue where compromising can cause irreparable harm to the brand.]]>Sep 8th 2009 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
- Microsoft has been working on the legacy code problem for ages. They started doing something about it in Vista, and compatibility was the #1 complaint. Until Vista, Microsoft had for the most part been run by its marketing department, who would rather it keep customers happy with endless compatibility than make tough decisions that move the platform forward. Apple's marketing department are very good, but when it comes to engineering decisions about the platform, the engineering department always wins. No matter who they piss off (even if its their own customers, as evidenced by the lack of PPC support in Snow Leopard).

- Yes, you can use your jailbroken phone to trash your own operating system. Well done to you!
- It's not about protecting people like they're children: you don't get protected from computer viruses just because you're old enough to vote. If there's a security hole in the BASIC interpreter, it could allow viruses to infect your system and steal your personal data, or it could further enable jailbreaking, which in turn further enables app piracy (obviously that's not ALL it does).
- People keep talking about customer choice - there is plenty of customer choice. The AppStore is possibly the most competitive software market out there. That doesn't mean there aren't rules. That's like complaining that basic laws that forbid murder and theft prohibit your freedom. You have the freedom to add features to your app so long as you don't do certain things which pose security risks to the whole platform.]]>Sep 8th 2009 3:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Oh what a threat to innocent iphone users, ascii porn....]]>Sep 8th 2009 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
I'm not getting all the Apple hate here - if you know *anything* about software you'd know that the ability for a 3rd party to run arbitrary code on your machine without your knowledge (i.e. if anything is remotely programmable) is a REALLY bad idea.

The "no running arbitrary code" rule in the SDK is perfectly reasonable for MANY reasons, most of all security, and Manomio is 100% in the wrong for having tried to sneak it in.]]>Sep 8th 2009 1:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
I really cba with whatever Apple does with their crapstore and sure they could keep nice apps out of the door and sure they still generate massive money from it it only makes me wonder who is the biggest fool out there.]]>Sep 8th 2009 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Some people just like getting screwed from behind.]]>Sep 8th 2009 8:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Versus what... the need for persistent virus, malware, and worm checks, washed out looking TN panel LCD monitors at Best Buy that have a 1 degree viewing angle, choppy Intel integrated video in basic & mid-model PCs, choice of silvery painted plastic desktop or laptop, both weighting 6lbs or more (not including power adapter), chunky full featured laptops, and upgrades to Win 7 from Vista that cost $129. Seriously, if you think the PC world is such a great deal think it, but really, its just as crappy on that side too.]]>Sep 8th 2009 8:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Schools helped Apple through the dark years. You're still the same gullible saps who thought you needed a Quadro to use Photoshop.

Quark, on the other hand, you guys get credit for that asshole dinosaur still being around.]]>Sep 8th 2009 11:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 11:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Stop ruining it for your customers and other developers. Play by the rules or go to Android. You're the people that are keeping the App Store so restrictive.]]>Sep 8th 2009 8:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/

My philosophy is that the more interpreters and programming languages you can use on a system, the merrier.]]>Sep 8th 2009 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
More interpreters/languages = more potential for holes~]]>Sep 8th 2009 8:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
I think there's some other reason behind this - like not wanting normal users to be able to program anything on the iPhone?]]>Sep 8th 2009 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Imagine if the C64 emulator had an easy way for people to add basic code. Through Basic, you access the machine language system. Through that, you access what the C64 app has exposed of the Apple SDK. You find an exploit, and suddenly you can start acting maliciously, and Apple has no choice but to assume the entire environment is malware... or micromanage the problems.

It's awful, and doesn't represent the "safety" Apple would like to ascribe to its iPhone OS environment. Hey, and I wouldn't mind circumventing Apple and installing Strip Poker! I can see the headline now... C64 emulator allows the first PORN sold through the AppStore. The issue of "control" isn't as fascist as people would like to think. Apple created the most popular mobile AppStore on the planet, and people still busy themselves pontificating on why Apple got it "wrong". Meanwhile, ANYONE else could go ahead and "one-up" Apple. Microsoft? Palm? RIM? Nokia? Android? Anyone? --Cause, it sounds like Apple solved a tricky problem that's not as simple as folks would think.

I think Google Android's come the closest to "openness", yet they've had to ban apps from the marketplace too. Y'know, it never really ends. I knew the moment I heard people could drop into the interpreter, Apple would pull it. In the end, I'm not sure I see the value in not appreciating Apple's priorities.]]>Sep 8th 2009 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/Sep 8th 2009 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
this is a bunch of apple WHARRGARBL and you fan boys need to stop blindly defending them. ]]>Sep 8th 2009 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/apple-pulls-c64-app-after-manomio-shenanigans-revealed/
Apple wants control of every piece of code that runs on the machine, either to "manage" the user experience or to garner as much revenue as it can, or both. Good or bad, that's been their mantra from the start. Nobody should be surprised or outraged by this.

We've accepted this because we want "the shiny", and most of the time we get patted on the head by Apple and everything is great. It's only when things like this happen that we are suddenly forced to realize how shitty we have it and become electronic gadget Lech Wałęsas.


That's totalitarianism, by the way, not socialism. And it's not totalitarianism if you are able to get off the bus (by not buying it)




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