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However, my love of the moving platter + the fact that I already have Tech 12k's and Serato = I'll pass. Absolutely wicked looking though.]]>Sep 17th 2009 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
i sold them when the CDJ-1000 came out because i thought digital would be the future.

i still buy vinyl though...I have a nice marantz to listen too.

and yeah, i don't know what it is about virtual DJ, but I like it so much more than Serato. even though it's essentially the same thing]]>Sep 17th 2009 7:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
http://forums.pioneerdj.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6781012904/m/345105803]]>Sep 17th 2009 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
CD-DJs brought upon first wave of "bad" DJs that couldn't figure out how to beatmatch with vinyl/ would rather burn crappy MP3s to a CD rather then pay for vinyl.

Serrato is cheaper and easier for these "bad" DJs (it even beatmatches for you)

The only reason good DJs ever even used CDDJs was for the loop features/live sampling, but now that you can do that with even the lowest grade DVS, there is no reason to waste your money on these. ]]>Sep 17th 2009 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
Just because you can't appreciate the creative capacity of a CDJ doesn't mean there aren't other DJs out there who can. And no offense, but anyone who's still dragging seven tonnes of vinyl to a gig doesn't really know what DJs who are pushing them limits are doing.

You keep your Tech12s, for the rest of the world, we're moving on to something that allows us to be more creative.]]>Sep 17th 2009 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/]]>Sep 17th 2009 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
tell me what you can do on a CD-J that is "more creative" then what I can do on a DVS like Traktor...I'm actually curious.

I was more complaining about the price of these things (4000 dollars) more then anything, but if you want to turn it into something else whatever.

I can assure you with 2000 dollars i could be far "more creative" with my Abelton setup DJing then you could ever accomplish with 2 of these.]]>Sep 17th 2009 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
Vinyl "fans" have two sticking points: audio *quality* and table *control* (or more likely a pure artistry of turntablism).

You argued for quality by belittling playing from MP3 (and calling CDJ players cheapskates) and now you're pretending that your only argument was for control (arguing for a final scratch / scratch live setup "carrying only two vinyls").

192kbps vs VBR vs 384kbps vs ZOMG VINYL IS INFINITY KBPS is a shit argument. You (anyone who is over 21 and has spent anytime in the real world of music) can't tell the difference. Whining about how it's not a pure analog pitch-bend if you're not on vinyl is hipster shit.

Just by the fact that you brought up DVS you abdicated any claim to greater quality. Since you whined about MP3 DJ's paying for vinyl you fucked up your own economic argument. You're a mess.

Technics are for stacking up 5 plates for a scratch-off and analog fetishists. It is a quaint art form that (while I have respect for it...) is slowly dying. All of the tricks you can do with vinyl have been done in the last 30 years of the art. It's time to use our new tools to create a new cdj-tablism art.]]>Sep 17th 2009 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
first off, all DVS systems play Lossless audio, I didn't even bring that up but whatever.

Secondly, I was refering to the 2 types of CD-J DJs that i know (though most of them have switched to DVS). The ones who just play music, and the "DJ as art" ones who used it for the advanced digital functions. I was saying for either party, ploping down 4000 dollars for a pair of these isn't viable.

I know many DJs who like to do it as "art" and as soon as DVS systems came out, they went that direction, not only was it cheaper then a good CD-J tables, the amount of "live" remxing one could do was also increase with the inclusion of using VSTs and other effects chaining software, midi controller, ect. DVS can be used with or without real turntables. In fact I know many people who just DJ with a MIDI controller, i was listing the "DVS PACKAGE" as a price point only.

in the end Digital is Digital, and all I'm saying that for the pice, these do not do enough to be valued at >4,000 for a pair. stop twisting my words around like I'm some sort of audiophile. ]]>Sep 17th 2009 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
Tracktor beat-matches... and they have a different agenda.]]>Sep 17th 2009 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
However:

1. The audio quality of the pitch locking is *much* better in one of these than it is in Traktor.
2. The intended audience for this product is a club owner / system installer, and for that audience, this is a worthy successor to the 1000mk3. That is, it makes using a CDJ a little more like using Traktor.
3. If you were a pro DJ and you could pay $2k for a rock-solid guarantee that your laptop would *never* go tits-up or kernel panic in the middle of a set, would you pay it? Going high-end CDJ isn't just a feature-set thing, it's buying into a proven track record of QA and product testing.
4. Blinkenlights!
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Thanks for the support.

all your points are good, however Seratto and Tracktor have gotten MUCH better at pictch locking in recent versions, its not as good as a MK1200 (which ive compared it with) if you go over +-8% but in that range its not really noticeable quality diffrence (depending on your source file of course).

I totally agree with the clubowner part.

The stabilty part is a good argument, ive had my laptop crash once on a gig (always have a backup) at the same time though, at a club using CDJ200s i got a "Load error" on one of them and it was out of commission for the rest of the night, anything mechanical can and will break at some point, its just a matter of always having a backup plan.]]>Sep 17th 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
I did it in some CDJ-400, but the larger, the longer it takes for it to sweep the whole thing. On an 80GB at 40% full, it took a long time to complete scan the sucker. It did the job, but at some point it just went dead. It couldn't handle that much [coolness].]]>Sep 17th 2009 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
Though I won't argue with vinyl supporters, these are quite fun to use. Been there for almost 8 hours non-stop.

CDJ-2000: looking good.]]>Sep 17th 2009 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
That thing scares me.]]>Sep 17th 2009 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/]]>Nov 20th 2009 2:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Yes it has many new features, yes it has a cd drive in it, but tell me who lower-class dj won't mix his 128-192 kbps internet-pirated crappy quality song?

One step ahead in technology, two steps back in real life]]>Sep 17th 2009 12:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
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:D]]>Sep 17th 2009 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
You can also plug in the Tonium PaceMaker into the USB port:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTKmrv5brLQ]]>Sep 17th 2009 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 6:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
Get your facts straight engadget, the CDJ-900 isn't screenless ;)]]>Sep 17th 2009 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
there are markets for both. i still use my technics but at times have used a CDJ setup and found it simple (other than the cue annoyance) and my back also enjoyed it when I had to move my setup to an event.

Give it a couple months and this will become a club staple for those either looking to replace the inhouse gear, have the latests or starting a new build with some $$$]]>Sep 17th 2009 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/
I think I'll stick to my Denon 3700's. ]]>Sep 17th 2009 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Don't understand this black or white mentality. The mixer is there to allow for multiple sources-doesn't stipulate that they have to be "matched".

Seems many people don't understand the intended market for this product. If you're running a big club-you want a workhorse that's going to go 24/7 with fog, smoke, beer, sweat, etc...That's what the Pioneers deliver. Even a mac can only hold up for so long. If it crashes-which they are wont to do, you look like an amateur.

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By the way I know Panasonic is the new corparate name but I don't like the switch, It sounds cheap.]]>Sep 17th 2009 4:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/pioneers-new-cdj-2000-dj-deck-hopped-up-with-a-6-1-inch-lcd-ne/Sep 17th 2009 5:58PM