http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/but right now i'm thinking how much will it cost me to get a miniPCIexpress-to-usb3 support, and then how much for my lappy to have an expressCard-to-usb3 support :|

sucks to be on 'old' hardware but thats have technology works.

still gg!]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
I'll drop FireWire when USB stops being dependent on the CPU.]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
Really that point is mute, it made sense years ago, but the idea of offloading it to another chip doesn't make sense.]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
/Joey Tribbiani
"...this is all a moo point."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLwYpSCrlHU

I believe the word you were looking for is "moot", not "mute". Just saying. :-)

But I'd have to agree with tekdroid about CPU usage. What if you're working with a file on an external drive that requires extensive use of the CPU (video conversion or manipulation, for example). Why steal CPU cycles away just for get the data from one point to another if you don't have to?]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
On topic though due to the much higher bandwidth of USB 3.0 and having multiple cores in desktops where one would even consider doing a task like this the loss on the CPU would be pretty insignificant and minor during the transfer duration. In that situation most would just connect their drive with a sata cable.

I'm mostly saying it's not worth it in the long run.]]>Sep 21st 2009 10:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 10:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/If you are going to use that saying please don't break it by not saying hell, thanks.
]]>Sep 21st 2009 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Intel i-7 = check
USB 3.0 = check

Equals Buy New PC]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Until then...]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/USB 3.0: √
Intel Core i9: X
DX11 Card: X

So not yet for me =).]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/2. First commercial hard drive: IBM's 350 Model 1 in 1956.
3. First commercial graphical interface: IBM's AN/FSQ-7 in 1958.
etc...

Notice a pattern there? No fruit; just something big and blue.]]>Sep 21st 2009 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
Apple's computers had the first:

• Floppy drives
• Hard Drives
• Graphical Interfaces
• CD-ROM Drives
• Built-in Wifi
• USB with the iMac

Rumors of iMac / Macbook updates soon as well...]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
PCs had USB ports before iMac did, but they didn't rely on them as exclusively as the iMac did and more than likely they didn't have an as 'iconic' computer to push this fact as Apple did, giving the impression they were first when they weren't.

]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/

• Floppy drives = First on an IBM PC, they were invented by IBM after all.
• Hard Drives = First on an IBM 305 RAMAC Computer in 1956 ! long before Apple were even founded
• Graphical Interfaces = First on the Xerox 8010 Star Information System in 1981 (the Apple Lisa was 2nd)
• CD-ROM Drives = First launched in 1985, when the first Macintosh still had a floppy
• Built-in Wifi = Complete FUD Wifi has been around since 1991 and no Apple computer came with it then
• USB with the iMac = iMac launched in 1998 USB launced in 1996 and was created by Compaq, Digital, IBM, Intel, Northern Telecom, and Microsoft, it was licensed to Apple 2 years later.

You miss the point that people with PCs can just buy a USB 3 card and don't need to wait for their messiah to build it into a new machine.

]]>Sep 21st 2009 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 10:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/The IBM PC was not first with a floppy drive. Floppy drives were available on home computers (what PCs were called before they were called personal computers) back in the 70s when IBM was still completely ignoring the home computer market. You could get on a TRS-80, Apple II and Commodore PET long before IBM even made a PC in the 80s. And they were available on home computers even before that, when home computers really came in parts (the TRS-80 model I followed this model slightly). For examples, look up S-100 bus computers.

Hard drives were also available on home computers long before the IBM PC even came out. You're right about the IBM Winchester 30-30 being the first hard drive anywhere though, although magnetic drums existed long before that and they are very similar.

Graphical interfaces preceed the Star and the Lisa. They were simply attempts to make entire systems that used graphical UIs for everything. There were system which used graphical interfaces for CAD data entry quite a bit before the Lisa. Look up the Tektronix 4014, and it wasn't first either, just the first big boom. In terms of PC GUIs, I guess the Lisa was first, but if you disregard it (it was very expensive and failed in the marketplace), there were several GUI software packages for PCs, Apple ][s, Ataris and the Amiga before the Mac came along with the 3rd real attempt at whole-systems GUIs for PCs.

Apple was first with the CD-ROM drive on a PC. The Apple CD Drive (a real POS) was the first model and Apple also made the first PCs with built-in CD drives too. I dunno who was first with a CD-ROM drive anywhere, but I know Digital and SUN beat Apple to it. Compaq was first with a DVD-ROM drive on a PC, IIRC.

Apple was first with built-in WiFi as far as I know. WiFi was specified before that and external adapters existed, but Apple was first to build it in. WiFi has not been around since 1991, 802.11 didn't even come around until 1997 and it was a failure. There were spread-spectrum systems in 1991, I used a really lousy one from Motorola back then. The device was the size of an external 5.25" hard drive, and thus was not built into anything.

USB definitely existed before the iMac. It was even built-in to some PC motherboards before that. But no one used those ports, many didn't even install the drivers. Windows didn't work right with USB mice and keyboards either at that time. But by all measures, the iMac was the first machine that really took USB to heart. This is why if you go back and look at the USB products from the day, they were all iMac candy-colored, because iMac users were using USB and buying products and PC people weren't really doing so since there was very little that was supported.]]>Sep 21st 2009 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
Does this mean that the tech we're seeing for running multiple monitors across USB will actually work at a decent rate?

I run 4 monitors off a desktop at the moment and I would love to replace that with a decent spec'd laptop but I'd still want the 4 monitors when I'm back at home.


]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
In a nutshell, USB 3.0 promises the following:

* Higher transfer rates - up to 4.8 Gbps
* Increased maximum bus power and increased device current draw to better accommodate power-hungry devices
* New power management features
* Full-duplex data transfers and support for new transfer types
* New connectors and cables for higher speed data transfer...although they are backwards compatible with USB 2.0 devices and computers.

]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
I can see now that things like USB 3 hard drives will carry a $50 premium when the ACTUAL cost is much lower *sigh*

Thankfully i have a Firewire 800 external!
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( from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface )

And might I mention that the CPU-controlled (Rather softmodem-y) nature of USB means you're lucky to get 50% of the theoretical maximum transfer rate, where FireWire 800 (IEEE 1394b-2002), being that all the protocol is handled by a dedicated hardware chip, gets you the full 800Mbps - and FireWire S1600 and S3200 offer _ACTUAL RATES_ of 1.6 and 3.2 Gbit using the same connector FW800 uses - a simple change in controller chip to a chip that is already out offers full S1600 and S3200 support.

You can even get FireWire 800 over an ethernet cable (Cat5e cable + 8p8c connectors) using FireWire S800T (IEEE 1394c-2006) - and the same controller chip can communicate with both FireWire and Gigabit Ethernet devices on the same connector using link auto-negotiation.

Also, the tree architecture of FireWire is vastly superior to the host-hub-client architecture of USB, as any node can talk to any other node without worrying about host mode, client mode etc. And they can be daisy-chained up to a maximum of 63 peripherals + the primary node (host computer or device acting as same).

Also, contrary to popular windows-fanboy belief, Apple did invent firewire - from the same wiki article:

FireWire is Apple's name for the IEEE 1394 High Speed Serial Bus. It was initiated by Apple (in 1986) and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics).

Apple didn't entirely create it but they did come up with the initial design.]]>Sep 21st 2009 9:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 11:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/
*Windows then precedes by playing a /golfclap clip from the film 'Men at Work'*]]>Sep 21st 2009 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/

....PC's ftw ]]>Sep 21st 2009 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/Sep 21st 2009 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/external cables of course]]>Oct 26th 2009 6:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/first-usb-3-0-product-gets-certified-floodgates-get-closer-to-b/]]>Sep 21st 2009 12:57PM