http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/ Engadget Comments for Sigma's DP1s gets official, hitting shelves in November? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/Oct 2nd 2009 1:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/Oct 2nd 2009 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/
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If you're interested, just try it and return it if its not for you. Beforehand: Read up on DPreview or so how to work with/around the quirks.]]>Oct 3rd 2009 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/Oct 2nd 2009 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/




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Sure, their sensors may not be as big as that of Sigma but the quality is just as good but with the bonus of lens selection and video recording.]]>Oct 2nd 2009 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/
Comparing this sensor to others is like comparing raw images to compressed jpegs... X3 is a new level of purity.]]>Oct 2nd 2009 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/Oct 2nd 2009 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/The M4/3 systems do have their advantages (speed, high ISO, exchangeable glass, although glass selection & quality is not exactly interesting if you accept that people do like their autofocus) but then they are are completely different type of camera. The DPx fits into your pocket, literally. My DP1 is always with me. It's DSLR quality at the size of a big P&S. And it has the big Foveon sensor that is just stunning. The camera is slow to focus and to write its shots to card. It could be improved on 20 corners. But if you know what you're doing, it's a miracle box. It is not a P&S. It is not mass market. It is a dedicated tool for people who like photography.]]>Oct 2nd 2009 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/
- Sigma DP1/DP2 are smaller (more noticeable if you have actually held vs looking at pictures online)
- Sigma DP1/DP2 are less expensive
- Sigma DP1/DP2 have Foveon X3 sensor

It's not so simple to say "image quality is just as good", because there are certainly instances where the Foveon sensor has been shown to outperform a 12MP Bayer sensor and vice-versa. People typically love Foveon for the color resolution and dynamic range. Foveon images make great B&W photos (the "grain" at high ISO can be very film-like).

Certainly the EP-1 or GF1 have a lot of advantages as well; the foremost being interchangeable lenses, high ISO color, MUCH faster auto-focus and camera use, and 720p video.

The point is that there ARE good reasons to choose a Sigma over m43.]]>Oct 2nd 2009 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/
"Comparing this sensor to others is like comparing raw images to compressed jpegs... X3 is a new level of purity.

Hello, Foveon rep, what can I do for you?

Sure, Foveon has its devout followers. To say its sensor as superior to those of Bayer type or that of four thirds is the same as saying that apples are better than oranges.

Every DSLR user dreams of a P&S that can shoot as well as their DSLR. DP1/2 came close but was never well received because they made too many compromises. The m43 cameras (with their pancake lenses) are much closer to what most DSLR users want.

No, m43 is not for everyone and definitely not for you Foveon users. All six of you. :)]]>Oct 2nd 2009 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/
" The DPx fits into your pocket, literally. "

So does E-P1 and I am sure the GF-1.

http://43rumors.com/e-p1-lx3-dp1-size-comparison/

"And it has the big Foveon sensor that is just stunning"

You know Foveon sensor is only 15% bigger than that of the Four Thirds sensor right?

"I've yet to see a single shot out of the Oly that looked better than what the DPx can do. "

Well, that's definitive, isn't it? Well, no, because I can say I've yet to see a single shot out of DPx that cannot be done just as well, if not better, by a m43 camera.

"But if you know what you're doing, it's a miracle box. It is not a P&S. It is not mass market. It is a dedicated tool for people who like photography."

Neither is m43 a P&S either. It is not mass market but has a much more potential than Sigma to become mass market because it allows *people who like photography* to have a portable camera that produces quality images that rivals those of dSLR.

I have easily $3,000 in Canon gear and just got a m43.
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Regardless, two things:
- the Foveon sensor is only a little bigger than the m4/3 up front, yet has substantially more surface area due to being layered. It is a really interesting approach compared to squeezing 14m receptors into a single layer.

- only a a few lenses will allow for your m4/3 to be put into a pocket, so if you want to swap you'll have to bring a bag. Either that, or your pants are really, really big.]]>Oct 3rd 2009 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/I'd rather go for the DP2 or the Ricoh GR Digital (f/1.9 )]]>Oct 2nd 2009 3:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/Oct 2nd 2009 6:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/
its totally not a point and shoot, i would never use it to take "snaps" eg pics of friends family etc... its not for that -- its for taking artistic photos and spending an hour getting that perfect photo but not having to carry around a big bulky hefty (and "here i am, im a photographer") camera

its for keen amateurs that want a great photo, nothing else and for that its my favourite camera, more so than my 5d mk 2 -- its just more special!!]]>Oct 2nd 2009 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/Oct 2nd 2009 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/sigmas-dp1s-gets-official-hitting-shelves-in-november/
Wait a second. This is like watching MA fans argue over fights -- you've never actually been in one and you really don't know what you're talking about.

The foveon has large pixels, because it stacks RGB vertically on Z, instead of RGGB on XY. The actual pixel pitch is quite a bit larger than other sensors of similar generations. It's a 4 megapixel camera. And THAT, not the "size of the sensor", is the determinant of how well it can work with a lens, where diffraction begins to crap on your images, how much light is gathered per pixel and therefore how much it takes to reach a non-noisy level... the foveon sensor is not comparable to a Bayer sensor by simply saying "size" and spitting on the ground. The better performing Canons and Nikons all have relatively low pixel pitches; this is where they take advantage of light gathering.

And on the OTHER hand, the foveon's ability discriminate R from G from B is considerably less advanced than a Bayer RGGB array, so the images simply don't come out the same.

If you really want to argue this, the only rational way to do so is take sample images of a kind that represent the work you want to do - low or strong light, deep or narrow DOF, high speed or long exposure, and so on - and then compare the two technologies *In those domains*, and you'll get an answer in the form of "I like these pictures better."

But man, don't go around talking about sensor size. You sound like children arguing about whose daddy can beat up the other person's daddy when both of them are probably out having a beer together anyway.
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