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ENGADGET close the comments. that is all]]>Oct 5th 2009 11:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/


/british accent]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
The 5 biggest hospitals in Boston run more clinical trials than the rest of the world, combined.

The National Institutes of Health funds over $30 billion of research annually. What other country even comes close to that?

The vast majority of medical devices, drugs and treatments come from American companies.

How many Nobel prizes in medicine came from countries that have a single payer system? I'll give you a hint--most are American citizens using funds from the United States.

We do have a bogus health care system--WHO ranks us as #37. However, our treatments, technology and physicians are the best in the world. Lets trying fixing our system without compromising what we are the best at. Show me what single payer system has accomplished even a fraction of what we have to the advancement of the field--and I'll support whatever BO is going to throw at us.]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
I find it pretty ironic that one of your arguments against government health care is how great government funded research is. By the way, it's complete bullshit to say that there isn't medical research in other countries. France, Germany, Switzerland, Japan, UK, they all have a tremendous amount of medical research going on. And believe it or not, France, Belgium, and Switzerland have some of the largest drug companies in the world! can you imagine that? And they even make profits too!]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
Because we know the government running an industry is the same as giving money to private institutions to do research.


Oh, and from what I heard today, the US swept the all the medical Nobel Prizes.

Not bad for a nation without socialized medicine.]]>Oct 5th 2009 9:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 10:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 6th 2009 12:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
In reality 10mil or less are actually NOT covered by choice. 10mil, 3% or LESS. You're going to ruin 1/6th the economy for 3/100 of the population?]]>Oct 6th 2009 1:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
Does everyone "deserve" a house? Isn't a roof over your head more important than access to a doctor? How about college education - everyone deserve that as well? Food? Should every single person be eligible for a gov't paid meal?

If you haven't checked lately we have this thing called a deficit. It is now running in the TRILLIONS per year. That's before we provide food to every person, or a personal doctor to all that are sick or a college education to everyone who applies. That's just brilliant. The Arabs/Chinese/Russians and Japanese are already in deep discussions over dropping the dollar as the currency of choice for the oil industry. Why don't we make the problem WORSE by going deeper into debt or alternatively taxing like crazy the people that actually work.

We need to right the economy before worrying about this other stuff. A strong dollar, a strong economy will go a long way towards alleviating the pressure around healthcare. Get more people employed first, then you will see the housing market rebound, the deficit shrink and the dollar get stronger. Then we can talk about ways to make the healthcare industry more effective and efficient.]]>Oct 6th 2009 1:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
There is a difference between health care and health insurance. Everyone has health care. Not everyone has health insurance. There is a growing momentum to avoid insurance all together by some clinics even because of the increased cost to the clinic to use your insurance to pay for anything.

Insurance != Care. ]]>Oct 6th 2009 1:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Blackburn, 60, who holds U.S. and Australian citizenship, is a professor of biology and physiology at the University of California, San Francisco

London-born Szostak, 56, is a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School and a researcher with the Howard Hughes Medical Institute.
(not sure if that's london canada or london england.)

So yeah those 'americans' win nobels and do expensive research because they go over bodies and people's lives and ruin them to draw every last penny from them leaving them sleeping in boxes on the street, so that non-americans can come to the US and win prizes for making up another 10cents pill that will be sold for $1000 until people are destitute and dead.
That's the working sytem, now go protect it, not because you care for it but because you must halt obama from doing anything until the republicans can get a deranged new monkey in the white house to wreck more havoc in the world and US and see if he can't beat bush's record and finally kill the US and its constitution once and for all.
Fine with me.
]]>Oct 6th 2009 2:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
10M of those are illegals
another 10M CHOOSE not to get it...

so your real number is 27 million.
now, I'm not even counting people in prison...

so are you saying that we should sacrifice quality and choice,
so 27 million, who don't contribute anything to society anyways,
can get free healthcare?]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
Seriously, most Americans are dependent of the government...
thats not the way it should be.

redistributed wealth is no way of helping people. in the end, its going to bite everyones butt.]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
Water on the other hand...]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
@Kamil that is right, giving stuff away all the time doesnt help, but I have always thought that if you give good healthcare and education to poor people, they will eventually end up making progress. Taking those worries out of their minds gives them time and money to invest in more productive activities. ]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
Godwin Law invoked. You loose. Sorry.]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
- ]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
Unless man someone how becomes perfect, no crime, no hate....
thats not gonna happen.

@Uncontrol

so just cuz every country does something, we should too?

hmm... reminds me of a childhood saying... something with bridges ]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 9:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Amen brother. Hey all you Europeans and Canadians the "quality" of your health care (even though it covers more people and cost much, much less) sux ass!]]>Oct 5th 2009 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.billionairesforwealthcare.com/]]>Oct 5th 2009 9:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/




Yeah, didnt find any either. And we didnt have socialized medicine back then either. how did we manage???]]>Oct 5th 2009 9:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
Yeah, didnt find any either. And we didnt have socialized medicine back then either. how did we manage???"

What the hell does this even mean?]]>Oct 5th 2009 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
rough translation to simpleton.

Just because you are an industrialized nation, does not mean you have to copy every frigging thing every other industrialized nation does. If you want, I can list a lot of things those nations do I guarantee you dont want copied here.

]]>Oct 5th 2009 9:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Hell, that could be said about the internet in general.
Thank you for not taking an immediate stance yourself, Joshua.

Now excuse me while I laugh at your time wasted internet arguing. LAUGH AT YOU. HAHAHAHAH.]]>Oct 5th 2009 11:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 6th 2009 12:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
Silly conservatives. It's like watching clownschool on the helm of a ship. Entertaining, but you wouldn't like to be onboard, or even on the same ocean. ]]>Oct 6th 2009 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/another 10M CHOOSE not to get it"

First, where is your authority that 10 M illegals are out there getting health care without insurance? Or the 10M who choose not to get insurance? If you find the 47M number to be dubious without proof, I can find either of your 10M to be equally dubious.

Second, assuming your numbers are correct:
(1) Illegals don't get insurance under the proposed plan (no matter what Joe Wilson says... read the bill before you spout other lies)
(2) It is the 10 M that choose not to get insurance that are part of the problem. When one of them gets seriously ill or injured and they go to the hospital where they are (and should be) treated, who do you think pays for it? Either we all do, or the hospital has to eat the cost... neither of which is good for an industry that is 1/6 of the economy.

I can appreciate your opposition to health care reform (I can't understand it... but I can appreciate it), so long as it is opposition that results from rational thought. Are you sure you've done that? Or are you too busy being scared of the boogeyman of "socialism" just because it sounds like the Soviet Union?]]>Oct 6th 2009 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
FYI Glenn agrees with your stated opinion on health care.

I guess you are calling yourself dumb....]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
They are both willing to pay high taxes:
The apple tax is only about 200 dollars per device but the tax that will be required for universal healthcare is going to be far greater
]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Oct 5th 2009 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
I'm not sure any of these things apply to my income taxes :)]]>Oct 5th 2009 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/
http://www.switched.com/2008/03/17/rush-limbaugh-gets-his-mac-fixed/

I guess this make him a LIBERAL. Cue to the scary music!


]]>Oct 5th 2009 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/and republicans and anti-apple zealots are also the same group of people...
crybabies who act on faith, without logic or reasoning, and think that if they believe something strongly enough it makes it true... just keep saying the lies and half truths ad-nauseum and in the end it becomes reality]]>Oct 5th 2009 9:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/rejected-politcally-charged-isinglepayer-app-gets-the-green-l/Slogan: "If we ain't broke, don't fix it"
http://www.billionairesforwealthcare.com/signs/
http://www.billionairesforwealthcare.com/
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