http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/ Engadget Comments for Entelligence: The HTC HD2 and the future of Windows Mobile http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 7:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
Problem is, Apple is making a mockery of the other cellular phones and no other cellularphone company is seeing major gains cause iPhone damn near cornered the market globally.

i know i'm gonna get downranked, but I'm not pushing the iPhone. I'm just sayint that we should let the free market and the invisible hand do its thing. And in this case, the invisible hand has multitouch.]]>Oct 6th 2009 7:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
I'd say WinMo is much worse than Palm OS if you ask me. The only reason WinMo hasn't faded
away as fast as Palm OS is because WinMo is from Microsoft. Sure MS will try to improve WinMo
but there is one thing the author has failed to mention - that is the competitors aren't standing still.
MS moves one step and the competitors move two steps so people can see what the crystal ball
looks like going forward. Yes, people are looking at the WHOLE picture which includes the
competitors.



]]>Oct 6th 2009 8:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
I doubt this very much. Tech blog readers might do research and ignore (some) hype, but tech blog readers are not most people.]]>Oct 6th 2009 9:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
Either way, good things will come this way from MS. MS, for some reason, loves to fail with an offering before releasing something amazing (first Zune vs Zune HD, first XBox vs 360--yes even with the RRoD, and from Vista vs Windows 7). Others might see an MS failure as crap, I see it as technological fertilizer.

Anyways if consumers were that much more educated some of us wouldn't be raped by our horrible phone plans and subsidies.]]>Oct 6th 2009 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/More importantly it the OS should satisfy the developer first, so that we can create good phones and associated apps for the user.

The core features provided by Windows Mobile OS are really good and much better in many aspects compared to competitive environments.
But when it comes to graphics, animation centric to building a good UI experience, Windows Mobile provides next to nothing to the developer. What HTC has done on windows mobile is really really mind blowing, but it doesn't provide anything to 3rd party developers. The 3rd party apps that will be put up on the Market-place for example will not benefit from HTC's modification. Every 3rd party developer will need to create their own rich-UI framework.
Whereas on competitive OS 3rd party developers are able to utilize the standard frameworks provided by Apple, google etc. to provide a consistent rich UI experience.

I am a windows mobile apps developer for last 3 years. From a developers stand point I see more returns to my efforts on iPhone or Android.
If this trend continues a lot of developers will shift their attentions towards other platforms, and a smart phone is defined by the kind of apps available on it.]]>Oct 7th 2009 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
The problem with comparing any phone to the iPhone is that there are multiple cell phone manufacturers worldwide making various types of phones for various types of people. Not everyone wants nor likes the big touchscreen that Apple or other form-alike phones offer. My wife for one. She hates both touch screens and big phones. Go figure. When people talk about an iPhone killer it makes no sense, because Apple has introduced an iconic product - which they're very good at, whether you like the product or features. There's no "flip" version of the iPhone - no "slider" - no "push to talk." While there are a couple of different levels of iPhone -- conceptually, there's only "iPhone." I don't think HTC or any other company will kill the iPhone (whatever definition of "kill" you have) because HTC and others are in the business of making phones. That means new designs, new products, smart phones, feature phones, etc. Globally, Apple is just a blip on the mobile phone radar. But it's a big blip because iPhone is iconic. I don't have numbers, but I imagine Motorola or HTC or Nokia or nearly any other maker sells more cell phones in various form factors than Apple could ever hope to.]]>Oct 7th 2009 2:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 7th 2009 2:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/]]>Oct 7th 2009 3:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
...On the other hands there are the rest of benefits for the user like multitasking, proper exchange support, not having to use crapTunes... ETC.

I don't care, I love this phone and I WILL buy it :)]]>Oct 7th 2009 3:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
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Basically, the point is, your OS choice is going to limit your hardware choice. And that is where Windows Mobile can actually shine right now. It's pretty much agreed that it's the crappiest Phone OS for the average user (Proud TP2 owner here), but you have a much better choice of hardware available in different form factors. Want a slider Blackberry? iPhone with a keyboard? All touchscreen WebOS device? Windows Mobile has all those options...and that's just form factor.]]>Oct 6th 2009 7:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/That's it, I'm done.
I'll go and like, get some nachos.]]>Oct 6th 2009 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
If it's a Mac, then it really doesn't matter because you only have a couple choices anyway. One of the main reasons I'm not interested in MacBooks is because they're too big. I love my 11.1" Vaio.]]>Oct 6th 2009 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Who cares if the OS is being "fast, smooth, and fluid" on a 1GHz processor? I do think one does have to make the distinction between OS and hardware - especially if the OS is NOT wed to the hardware, the phone ecosystem should only play a minor role in an article about the future of WinMobile as a whole. That's like me claiming to be an awesome football player because I bribe myself onto the Pittsburgh Steelers (or whatever other pro football team one may root for)... This is also the reason why your (Chris) example doesn't work. It's not Mac and Windows you need to compare but Linux and Windows, both of which are not married to their hardware. And I do think you made the choice (for whatever reason) of NOT installing Linux on your computer.]]>Oct 6th 2009 9:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
Both Android and Windows Mobile have been held back by underpowered hardware that results in a lackluster experience. As a result, especially for Windows Mobile, people have been dogging on the OS.

The way the hardware can make the case for an OS is because once the OS is paired with good enough hardware to make it shine, then it can allow one to make a fair evaluation of the OS.

Put another way, imagine it's 1995 again, only this time both Windows 95 and Windows 7 are being released that year. With the hardware that was available back then, Windows 95 would seem to have many advantages. Fast forward to the present, and Windows 7 wins in every category.]]>Oct 6th 2009 10:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
That's a poor analogy. You really don't have a choice to put a different OS on a phone in most cases (practically speaking, it's possible a lot of the time but usually the experience is poor). Hardware and OS are very closely tied as it stands now. You *should* include hardware when comparing OSes, as it is very much a part of it. It doesn't have to be, but it is. And not because Microsoft bribed their way through it, if that was what you were implying with that Steelers comment. That's a foolish idea and you should feel dumb for having it...it makes almost no sense for both companies to do that.]]>Oct 6th 2009 11:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 11:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
What you don't understand is that you need to consider hardware as a part of the platform when looking at mobile phones. You can't install Android on a WinMo device like you can install Ubuntu on a computer. Until that time comes, the hardware needs to be considered. You could make the perfect OS, and then only make it available on a candybar with no touchscreen and numeric keypad, and it would be garbage.

Really that's the biggest complaint about WebOS right now...the keyboard on the Pre sucks, and the portrait slider isn't the greatest form factor in the world. And how many people bitch about the iPhone lacking a keyboard?]]>Oct 7th 2009 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
I'd love the HD2, but the capacitive screen limits the kind of software I can run on it, as far as I understand. Too bad. OK, HTC, please bring out your stylus for capacitive screens!]]>Oct 6th 2009 7:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 8th 2009 4:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
What I really want to see is a "Zune Phone". Same dimensions as the ZuneHD (which is amazing btw) but in a phone version.]]>Oct 6th 2009 7:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 8:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 8th 2009 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 7:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/mobiletypingtest.com Prove it!]]>Oct 6th 2009 7:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 8:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
The little things they have you type are pretty funny.]]>Oct 6th 2009 8:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 8:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 9:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
http://twitpic.com/kjpve
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I'd assume the biggest difference between the physical / nonphysical keyboards in terms of speed will come out when you have to drop in special characters. How long does it take you to type:

"I bought my phone for $400.00, then got a F$%&N $200 rebate!!!"

I'm guessing physical keyboards, especially the 5-row ones with your special characters all where you expect them to be and shift keys that act like they do on a regular computer are gonna win that one hands down, especially against the tap-and-hold special characters (HTC On-screen keyboards, for example)

Also, I can touch type on a physical keyboard. I don't care how much practice you have, you'll never touchtype on an onscreen keyboard, you'll always have to stare at your thumbs and give up screen real estate to type.]]>Oct 6th 2009 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 10:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
After 5 few tries (with 3 of the tries being some totally weird BS going on where it would type the first letter in the field and then suddenly decided I wanted to do a google search on what I was typing) I got this. And ironically, yes that was the sentence it gave me.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2402/browser20090610202947.png

50 wpm.]]>Oct 6th 2009 11:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/
I don't know what you're talking about. i touch type on my iPhone all the time.

sure i make mistakes but with the correction software on the iPhone and how trained it is as to how i type, it corrects everything to exactly how i want it.

so you sir, are wrong.]]>Oct 7th 2009 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 7:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 10:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/+1]]>Oct 6th 2009 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/That's a good thing.]]>Oct 6th 2009 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Oct 6th 2009 7:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/According to Conflipper a well known wmo haxor

For CDMA Users it is fail time!
"any CDMA device that we have right now WILL NOT support WM7.

Needs to be Snapdragon chipset, or OMAP V3 or V4, no Qualcom chipset that is 7xxx series. they will not work with it at all.

Will they get hacked to work. NO

What will be needed? Bootloader, Kernal, XIP, everythingl. So that TP2 that you just bought last week. It will not run WM7 at all. and 6.5 End of Life is in February. So you have 5 months of upgrades on your new device"


"HTC Leo, HTC Qilin, Asus Galaxy can all run WM7 right now, they have the proper stuff from the manufactures to run and support it."

Source: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=1177823&postcount=8007
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=1186192&postcount=19
]]>Oct 6th 2009 8:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/entelligence-the-htc-hd2-and-the-future-of-windows-mobile/Nonononononononono.

We live in the world of iPhone OS, Android, webOS, and (occasionally) a Blackberry (Bold and Tour are some examples).

NOT WinMo. WinMo is way behind in the race, like.. really behind. You know the Tortoise and Hare? Well, WinMo is the Tortoise, but it doesn't win.

Hate me if you're a WinMo person, but an OS that doesn't even have an okay browser is just a no go.]]>Oct 6th 2009 7:55PM