http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/ Engadget Comments for Psystar licenses Darwin Universal Boot Loader to third parties, chaos ensues http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
If they think they have a case to answer and money to spend then they should go for it. By the looks of the law docs I've seen at Groklaw they won't be around for long.]]>Oct 7th 2009 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
Can you not see the difference there? The x86 people worked hard and made it free (and you'll notice Apple is not going after them), and then the Psystar jackasses take it and sell it like it's something they invented. Classy.]]>Oct 7th 2009 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
Apple didnt develop all of OSX, its largely butchered BSD unix.]]>Oct 7th 2009 4:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
Give me a break, "butchered"? NeXT took the advantages of BSD and meld it with the best desktop environment of its day. When Apple bought it, they enhanced on the ease of use of the desktop environment even more. Want a list of things Apple brought to BSD? Like .. QuickTime, Time Machine (version control), OpenCL, Grand Central Dispatch .. etc.

These are just the more fundamental things, the last 2 mentioned were made open source as well as their Mach kernel, Darwin.

So please, don't be so ignorant, OS X and GNOME or KDE are not even in the same category. Operating System v.s. X Window Manager

I'm not saying OS X is better than Linux or Windows, but merely that Apple has spent significant resources on making OS X their own creation. No company should be able to essentially just rip off another company's intellectual property. You can argue about whether Apple should out license or even make OS X open source, but until they do, what Psystar is doing is not only illegal, but their justification is completely ridiculous.

That's like Hyundai buying a stock Mercedes engine and putting it into a Hyundai, then advertising the fact that Hyundais perform like Mercedes for 1/3 of the price and expect Mercedes to "compete fairly" on Hyundai's ground.]]>Oct 7th 2009 6:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
Newone: Largely? No. OS X is a combination of BSD, NeXT and older Mac OS technologies that have been re-implemented. BSD is only the foundation, Apple built everything else on top of it. Further, it's Apple's highly customized implementation of BSD. So yes, the vast, vast majority of OS X was developed by Apple.]]>Oct 7th 2009 6:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
what's even funnier is that this new stage shows that Psystar doesn't have any more respect for the open source community which made their clones possible. they are pulling the same move against them that they did on apple. selling what they don't have a right to sell and using someone else's hard work without creating a speck of added value]]>Oct 7th 2009 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
Apple isn't the government lol]]>Oct 8th 2009 4:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 8th 2009 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
Oh, back on topic...this is cool? Go Psystar!]]>Oct 7th 2009 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
Good God make sure you tuck your MacBook in tonight!]]>Oct 7th 2009 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
He said these people should burn. Don't you think that's a little over-the-top? ]]>Oct 7th 2009 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
They are selling the work they put into it. Selling the rig and the configuration. No one who is going to build their own rig will buy one of these. They are buying psystar because they don't want to configure they don't want to muck around with ktexts and they don't want to build a machine themselves. the same way if you want linux support you can pay redhat silly amounts of money.

Posted from a rock stable hackintosh thats be running for 2 years. Q6600, BadAxe2 mobo, 4 gigs ram ]]>Oct 7th 2009 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/]]>Oct 7th 2009 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
What about OSX and Unix?]]>Oct 7th 2009 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
Btw. I have an iPhone. Plan on selling to get a N900 once it's available. I own a MBP and a Window 7 Desktop. I also work/manage a Linux Computing Cluster. Each has it's pros and cons. I take devices for their utility not their name and I'm not stuck to any one company ( either then my damn Utilities ). I don't consider my self a fanboi of anything but Free Markets and Rational Decision Making.]]>Oct 7th 2009 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
The whole Engadget forum is over the top, that's what it is. It's like 30% comic madness, 30% rabid fan boy, 20% trolling and 20% facts and thoughts jazzed up with one of the first three

The most interesting thing is that all the regulars, which there are plenty of slide freely between the 4 states often within the same article comment stream. I no longer take even the most ardent troll or fanboy comment with much seriousness, they are just as likely posting that way as part of the 30% comic madness.

It takes time to adapt to the style around here]]>Oct 7th 2009 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
And if they can't do that, then there's no reason to buy from them. You'll never see them in stores, and it'll be too much work for anyone but people who could do it themselves as it is.

Farewell Psystar, and nothing of value was lost.]]>Oct 7th 2009 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 8th 2009 2:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 8th 2009 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
@Joseph
Ha, no it's generally not. For instance, every chemical in methamphetamine can be purchased at either a drug store or at a hardware store. Apple can't do anything to stuff that doesn't violate their copyrights.

In all, your response was pretty blindingly stupid.

@neofolklore
Citation for what, exactly?]]>Oct 8th 2009 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
So putting the bootloader on the computer is the issue. Not whether they install the OS or not. ]]>Oct 9th 2009 1:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/This is just history repeating, exactly the same thing happened with IBM BIOS being reverse engineered.]]>Oct 7th 2009 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/Oct 7th 2009 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/psystar-licenses-darwin-universal-boot-loader-to-third-parties/
Intel's EFI has nothing to do with "securing" the system and everything to do with Apple deciding to ditch the BIOS because they could. But go ahead and spew misinformation regarding new technology in favor of the crusty old BIOS.

Every other manufacturer could go EFI if they wanted to, but thanks to 32-bit windows and 64-bit vista not supporting it none of them will use it. I love it when actual, good progress is held back by Microsoft.]]>Oct 8th 2009 11:11AM