http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 14th 2009 2:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 10:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
*raises eyebrows at Gizmodo*]]>Oct 13th 2009 12:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 13th 2009 1:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
while that's mostly a rant u have to agree with the pre-release. Apple needs to engage the market more. All open source but no open]]>Oct 13th 2009 2:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 13th 2009 3:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
Something is seriously wrong when your service packs are bigger then the OS installation disc itself.

Windows7 = Vista + Service Pack1 + Service Pack2 + 2gigs of Updates - $200 from your pocket.

Surprise! You've been screwed once again, Windows7 is what you were supposed to get in Vista.]]>Oct 13th 2009 3:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
Its good to see someone sticking to the topic of the post. I guess the post doesn't make you feel defensive and start attacking another product which isn't even mentioned.

/sarcasm]]>Oct 13th 2009 4:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
Look above you and read a little. Mark is clearly talking about Win7 so his post is on topic and completely true.
]]>Oct 13th 2009 7:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8304229.stm.

To quote a Mac user:
"I've been using Macs for decades...what the heck have I done here? Repeated restarts and logins never get me back to me usual user acc(ount)."

And the problem appears to affect those who had a guest account enabled before upgrading to Snow Leopard. Thats a severe bug.]]>Oct 13th 2009 7:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8304229.stm.

To quote a Mac user:
"I've been using Macs for decades...what the heck have I done here? Repeated restarts and logins never get me back to me usual user acc(ount)."

And the problem appears to affect those who had a guest account enabled before upgrading to Snow Leopard. Thats a severe bug.]]>Oct 13th 2009 7:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 13th 2009 9:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 13th 2009 9:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
They wanted it out before Win7. So they pushed it early and apparently skipped a lot of QA. I'm positive it was a 'political/marketing' decision to release it and not because all dev and QA was done.

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/08/13/rumor-snow-leopard-let-out-of-the-cage-early/

From the link:

"So why would Apple do something so character-breaking as to start showing off by releasing software early? If there were bugs or problems with it, and they released it early, wouldn't that come back around to hurt them even worse?"

Seems it has! ]]>Oct 13th 2009 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 13th 2009 12:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
you should try watching a funny movie some time. you might explode. boring tech news should not make you roll on the floor with laughter.]]>Oct 12th 2009 10:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
Of course, you wouldn't be ROFLMAO either.]]>Oct 12th 2009 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
at least this is less serious than HAVING to enable guest and dump all permissions to get spotlight to work over a network with osx server 10.5]]>Oct 13th 2009 2:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
Hello I'm a Mac and I just erased your data. It's a new feature.]]>Oct 12th 2009 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
Gizmodo even tried to make the story as inauspicious as possible. If you read too fast, you might have missed it.]]>Oct 12th 2009 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
"We weren't really aware of this issue, but this bug is guaranteed to occur on any computer that has a copy of Snow Leopard installed and has the guest user account enabled. We are currently developing a fix."]]>Oct 12th 2009 10:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/"Extremely rare" as in every user that upgrades and makes a guest account?

And Engadget, why isn't this breaking news like the whole T-Mobile situation?]]>Oct 12th 2009 10:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Acording to some slashdotters

Causes:
-It happens on snowleopard upgrades (Not fresh installs)
- Guest account must be enabled on the Leopard machine prior to upgrade
-From guest account a hard crash or reboot without shutting down.

It is mentioned that even with those facts, people are having trouble reproducing it.

As someone writes mission critical software I can see how this could happen. Writing reliable software is very difficult. This really should have been caught but it does seem rare. ]]>Oct 12th 2009 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 13th 2009 3:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Upgrading to Snow Leopard is very easy and it should still be recommended. What is not recommended is enabling a guest account at this point. I guess you could argue that there are many users whose data is at risk but it's not clear how many users have lost data because the actions needed to reproduce error which causes data loss are not that common and it is also not clear how probably a crash of the kind needed to have data loss is. Does this happen every time or one in 10k? While the guidance to not guest accounts at this point applies to a very large group, you can't say that many people have been affected. Affected would mean the suffered data loss.

@jordan
Data loss from Apple is always going to be a big story because its so unusual. Simply stating that the story is making the rounds with echo chamber of online media is not a good indication of how much real loss of data is occurring. ]]>Oct 13th 2009 4:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
The fact is, in all the years of Windows "problems" (ie: user error), never has the operating system erased an entire accounts data. ]]>Oct 13th 2009 9:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
Maybe, just maybe, neither is perfect. Shocker. Both are relatively good despite the occasional annoying bug or two. Case closed.]]>Oct 12th 2009 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
You've gotta admit those names are pretty cool sounding.]]>Oct 12th 2009 10:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 10:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 10:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
You are complaining that a REALEASE CANDIDATE (BETA) software takes a minute to boot under Mac OSX emulation? That not good enough for you? You expect it to load in, as you state, "20 seconds"? You want Apple or Microsoft to put the OS on rom chips like they did in the old Atari, Commodore, and Apple ][ days?


Oh wait! I forgot! You are running OSX (known as Linux to mostly everyone else) on a computer that is made out of parts that are used all the time on a Windows OS computer.]]>Oct 12th 2009 10:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
Its not under emulation (boot camp is not emulation, think of it as dual booting)

OSX is built on BSD, not Linux.]]>Oct 12th 2009 11:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
Windows 7 has been RTM for months, and has been available to the public in every iteration of the development cycle since pre-beta. It has been installed by more people than the entire mac userbase, on countless hardware permutations.

Windows 7 has gone through testing, and it's coming out rock solid. I'm sorry that Apple missed something as show stopping and simple as logging into a guest account deleting all your data, but as the legions of testers have shown, we won't be seeing these bugs in Windows 7.

Guess this is what happens when a phone is a higher priority than your OS.]]>Oct 12th 2009 11:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/
All I said/meant to say is/was when I dual-booted the RC (was current at the time, and yes the RTM has since been available), I had some difficulty in power management and startup times. I did have to modify the ISO to run in 64-Bit mode for my MBP since Apple was so kind to exclude native 64-Bit support on older, but capable, Intel Macs, but it worked well. I, just as most people who have used it, like Windows 7. My Mac already has battery issues, so clearly it was bound to throw a fit or two running pre-release software. Thus it was probably my fault. As I recall, the only real problem I had was with backwards compatibility with programs. Not a huge issue now though.

I think you need to chill for a bit (no pun intended). W7 is indeed turning out to be a fine OS, and I can't wait to get a copy and upgrade all my PCs.]]>Oct 13th 2009 11:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/apple-aware-of-snow-leopard-that-bug-kills-data-is-working-on-a/Oct 12th 2009 9:51PM