http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 3:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
But last year I bought a portable battery which can power any device via USB and has 5400 mAh, which will actually give my cellphone three to four charges, my PSP at least two and my PDA two or three charges. It cost me nearly as much as those five 50ml cartridges, with the added bonus that it's size is nearly a third of this device's, and actually less than one of the cartridges pictured above. So what am I gaining from purchasing one of these fuel cells?
P.S.-That was an actual question, I love my gadgets so I would love it if someone could present some pretty convincing arguments for buying a new one (namely, this one), because I really can't think of them on my own.]]>Oct 22nd 2009 3:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
So even though its very expensive and cumbersome now, the idea is that its hopefully going to become much better and potentially revolutionise the whole battery market. So its kind of like when mobile phones first came on the market, they were massive and extremely expensive, and for most people they were much better off using existing phones or pagers, but within 10 years the technology changed so rapidly that its become a whole industry in itself!

Battery technology is very slow at improving, but considering how much worldwide emphasis there is now to improve battery technology, it's obviously starting to happen, and that's what this new device represents: a new hope for the future.
]]>Oct 22nd 2009 5:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/]]>Oct 22nd 2009 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Each refill of the device takes 14 mil of methanol.
250 mil for $34 = about 18(17.85...) refills for $34
Each refill charges 2 typical devices. .
that's about 35 recharges for $34
That's about $1 per recharge as quoted in the article.
A typical cell phone uses 1500 mAH of power
Average Electric cost + delivery in NYC (where I live) = $0.3 per KWH
Guesstimating that the charging losses are 33% of total power delievered that's 2000 mAH or 2WH
(PSU efficency, internal resistance of batteries, etc)
Electric cost using NYC's extreemly high cost = $0.0006
Conclusion: It ain't about the cost but the convince.
who would this be good for, campers/hikers, business travelers (possibly not fliers depending on the FAA's decision)
Economical this is not...

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Yet...]]>Oct 23rd 2009 2:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Jan 2nd 2010 9:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
Finally, the day has come when our gadgets are powered by farts.]]>Oct 22nd 2009 2:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
Finally. Some cool technology "that will come in the next few years" is here!]]>Oct 22nd 2009 2:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
our farts can finally power devices that can reproduce fart noises via the 58,000 fart apps.]]>Oct 22nd 2009 3:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Energy from one fart powering even more farts;
it's fart amplification by stimulated emission of farts.]]>Oct 22nd 2009 3:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 27th 2009 1:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/]]>Oct 22nd 2009 2:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
cheers to scientists!]]>Oct 22nd 2009 2:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
Just some easier to replace/mine than others.]]>Oct 22nd 2009 3:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/But yeah they should not shorten it to gas, it's silly and the yanks are exactly the people who would forget it's an abbreviation, and then start a war over it not being a liquid ;)
]]>Oct 22nd 2009 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
In a world packed with power outlets? yah, my forecast is that lithium air will knock the pants off this thing.]]>Oct 22nd 2009 2:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/I think you mean Direct METHANOL Fuel Cell instead of methane. Methane (CH4) is a gas, not a liquid like the methanol.]]>Oct 22nd 2009 2:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 5:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Even a zippo is not allowed, and those are from the ominous zippo company who gets access to secret copyright bills.
]]>Oct 22nd 2009 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/this is definitely not a travel friendly charger.

-]]]>Oct 22nd 2009 2:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3837585.stm]]>Oct 22nd 2009 2:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3837585.stm]]>Oct 22nd 2009 2:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 2:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
It's this problem which means that the cells cannot replace batteries, only supplement them, which means any fuel-cell device will be larger than a battery-only device and therefore there are limited uses for these fuel-cells.]]>Oct 22nd 2009 3:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/Oct 22nd 2009 4:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/toshiba-dynario-fuel-cell-the-battery-revolution-begins-october/
think about the next steps for this technology... when this is small enough to fit inside a battery we have the moment so all devices are powered by methanol. hopefully they get it into laptops within a couple of years.

this coming to market is a massive step forward for the gadget market.]]>Oct 22nd 2009 4:46AM