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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2403704/John-McCain-technology-illiterate-doesnt-email-or-use-internet.html

Lobby money talking, I presume...]]>Oct 23rd 2009 6:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 6:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/This whole bill is about internet censorship and while it may have good intentions (child pron), it could also be used as a means for the government to silence internet cites they dissagree with... Hence McCain and his legion stepping in and saying "no"...]]>Oct 23rd 2009 7:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 7:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
If your ISP stopped allowing you to access ronpaul.com, or slowed down foxnews.com because they signed a deal with CNN, you would quickly become a supporter of net neutrality. I'm sure your response is that you would just change ISPs, but in some markets there is only one broadband ISP. In monopoly markets, sensible regulation is a necessary step.

McCain's bill only supports large corporations that want to begin making content deals or protect their own content. It is loser for Internet users, and that's why Google, Verizon, and others are banding together to oppose it.

]]>Oct 23rd 2009 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
IT HAS NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT!

This is a FCC power grab that is hiding behind crap like that to get gullible geeks, who think their torrent farms will be protected, to go out and shill for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uULNBso0BU
(this is what it's all about)

You want to give the Feds an inch on the net, then dont be so damn stupid to thing they arent going to go for the mile!]]>Oct 23rd 2009 7:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
Creating a neutral, level playing field is not a "power grab." It is, in fact, the opposite of that. We have dozens of examples where government does this, and we have a functioning society as a result.

I won't even respond to your ridiculous slippery slope argument. Do you wear a tin-foil hat as you scan the skies for black helicopters?]]>Oct 23rd 2009 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
Have you ever heard about the homeland security act of 2002? it gives all the power federal agencies need to act online, and guess what... it was a republican idea.

That kind of bursts your bubble.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 8:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
The problem with that theory is that we have had net neutrality way too long. ISPs know they can charge us, so they will, regardless of what money they make from content providers. And since they are the only game in town, or at least an oligopoly, nothing is preventing them from basically killing off the Internet in the long run through instant-gratification deals.

My answer: don't fix what ain't broke.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
There's nothing stopping a content provider from charging ISPs for content (e.g. ESPN 360). So, if ISPs suddenly started charging for service, those providers would probably rebound in kind by charging for the content itself.

Would the net effect be zero?

I'm not sure what that would ultimately do for the market. Maybe it would work itself out.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
You have no real clue your a tool and don't even know it. Of course Rupert Murdoch is against net neutrality.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
IMO, the only "real" neutrality is one without any laws or regulations. If Comcast starts filtering your content, you simply sign up with another provider. Somewhere along the line, people have gotten the idea that we are powerless without the government because the government is taking all the money that gives us power. They have you thinking that businesses are bad, mmkay. They attack the one thing that makes the world run in order to get you to vote in the next Representative or President that tells you they are protecting you from the evil Insurance companies that government is controlling themselves. Think about it for a second before you go off spouting the typical ____ party did this, and ___ party did that. Both of them are responsible for this and the American public is being played like a fiddle.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/MCCAIN/PALIN? REALLY?! That alternate reality would have been a worse disaster for the planet, PERIOD!!!]]>Oct 23rd 2009 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
I'd +1000 you if the commenting system let me.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
AND TELL ME WHERE THIS HAS HAPPENED?

You are accusing companies of doing stuff that has not taken place!

You are willing to give the feds a massive power grab over a F'ing theory?

What the hell is wrong with you people?]]>Oct 23rd 2009 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
"If Comcast starts filtering your content, you simply sign up with another provider"

I think you've missed the whole point here. Comcast was already caught restricting VOIP content. And in most of the USA, our choices are either Comcast or the regional Bell telecom. For the most part, this leaves us with the monopoly cable company or the monopoly landline telcom.

It doesn't take an economics degree to know that competition (which is required for true net neutrality) only happens when you have 3 or more choices. I won't even bother trying to go into why the telcoms have tried (and usually successfully) to kill every chance of new competition that local governments have tried to implement to give us the 3rd option.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 9:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
You have no real clue your a tool and don't even know it. Of course Rupert Murdoch is against net neutrality."


And you are going to get around to explaining to me what was presented was made up when?

Yeah, somehow I think I'll be waiting a hell of a long time.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
@rightwingnutjobs: I like McCain, he's a good man BUT any bills the Republicans put out that have the word Freedom, Patriot, Security in the title means that the citizens are fucked because big business will have complete control (or in the case of Homeland Security a bloated worthless division of government that needs disbanding). I don't trust AT&T, Comcast, Cox, or any of them to regulate themselves anymore than I do the banks. You right wingers should be jumping on this net neutrality bandwagon, it's good for you too. The only people its not good for are superrich assholes who run those billion dollar corporations. The effects of this bill will have minimal effects on ISP's. All it does is keep them from screwing us with unfair charges.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 9:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Have you ever heard about the homeland security act of 2002? it gives all the power federal agencies need to act online, and guess what... it was a republican idea.

That kind of bursts your bubble."

And?

You think I supported the HSA just because the GOP came up with it?

Stop being so damn obtuse as to think that this is some Elephant V. Donkey pissing match.

This is about the free market and liberty V. Federal overloardship.

And these sheep that think big brother Barack is pushing this to ensure that some batshit insane fantasy of Comcast charging you to go to Google doesnt come true, are living with their heads up their asses.

And just like the GOPers that supported the HSA only to have it now put out a report citing them as potential threats to "homeland security", YOU will be bitten by this too.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
It doesn't take an ... degree to know that competition only happens when you have 3 or more choices. I won't even bother trying to go into why the [Dems and Repubs] have tried (and usually successfully) to kill every chance of new competition that local governments have tried to implement to give us the 3rd option.

;)

There's corruption on every bracket of it, but giving power to the government (whom was explicitly limited by our Constitution) is not the answer here. When you centralize power, you increase the chance of corruption. The only thing the Federal (anything) should be doing is keeping the state laws in check and protecting our borders. Less government is more Freedom for you, me, business, and our right to choose the proper businesses instead of being told by our government which businesses should stay open (cough, GM, cough). If your state enforced a law that was overly restrictive to ISPs jacking up the price, they'll only pay for it in lost populace income when people move out of state.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/I hope you realize that that's the reason we need this. Because of the lack of regulation within the telecom market. There are many situations where only a single ISP provides service to an area. That is not competition. There is no way for the user to choose with his/her money. Eventually, businesses will get to the point that they've grown so fat and large that they will begin to screw over their own customer base. It's not some fairy tales; it's happened before (the trusts of the 1900's) and it is happening now (AIG). Businesses get to a point where the only way to provide a fair and even ground for the customer is to regulate it in some way (this is a far too proven fact).]]>Oct 23rd 2009 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
Reminder, ONLY att DSL. ONLY! I am not alone in this. You people need to get off your Glenn Beck idiot fest high and look at THE REALITY. ]]>Oct 23rd 2009 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
I think I know where McCain is coming from, though. His primary concerns are military and economic (which are more related than many of you would think). I think by supporting the FCC bill for net neutrality it effectively limits the ability of the government to manage internet communications and internet based enemy/terrorist endeavours. He's adding the child porn bit to pull at the heart strings of the Republican parents out there. I'm sure he's also concerned about the "rights" of business to run how they want to. There is something to be said for the perspective that these telecoms have built the internet from the ground up via cables strung alongside roads. The government had nothing to do with that, so perhaps the businesses should have the freedom to operate how they want to operate.

I disagree entirely with him, though. The government's job is to ensure my freedoms, nothing more. Telecoms deciding what websites get served and what don't prohibit my freedom of speech. This is why Republicans like small government, it allows us to have more freedoms. Sometimes you have to do a little regulation to make sure our freedoms are secured, though. McCain's move is away from the small government hallmark of the Republican party, which is consist with his position on the fringes of the Republican party.

There's no need to get emotional about it.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
*explodes*]]>Oct 23rd 2009 12:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
Working against an increase in regulation.

Typical Liberal:

Not getting that that's actually a good thing because they read John McCain and assume he's "oppressing" people with the "status quo."
I guess we can HOPE for a CHANGE in the mentality of people jumping to conclusions. ]]>Oct 23rd 2009 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
So your tellin me that a former presidential candidate doesn't have enough function in his hands to send an email... and how exactly was he supposed to sign a bill? Last time I checked it takes about the same amount effort to do either one. ]]>Oct 23rd 2009 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 24th 2009 6:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
That is just a common discourse that is all over the news now; government bad, we know we know.

These FCC regulations have nothing to do with controlling the public, they are meant to protect YOUR rights. get it? The government protects rights, it's the basis of government that any text book will tell you. Everyone is so touchy right now the government can't even do anything to help you without someone making it demonic. If you let people tell you that Net Neutrality is going to interfere with you it's a lie. The idea that if you let business do whatever they want is not good for media and the internet. You don't want the Government regulating what you see and do, legally, on the internet. So why the hell would you want to give business the ability to do that? Because a loophole in policy that was meant for the TV era allows companies to do just that with the Internet.

The idea of net neutrality is that Telecoms can act as a business all they want as long as they don't infringe on your personal liberty to have unhindered access to the internet and to prevent costs from being invented such as tiering or packaging internet sites into bundles. There are a lot of other aspects but essentially it's to stop certain companies from preferring their own content over another.

If you let this McCain bill pass then you'll all be paying more for the Internet. If anything Net Neutrality ensures that small media companies can have a chance on the Internet instead of being muscled out by the big broadcast networks who desperately want to reclaim their control over YOUR media. That's what TV was all about and these laws that deny Net Neutrality are attempting to maintain that status quo. So get off your ass right now and go do something about it. Don't let them try and reverse the argument on you and make you think you are protecting YOUR interests by supporting McCain's bill. ]]>Oct 24th 2009 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 6:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
(Baaaaahhhh, Baaaaahhh!)]]>Oct 23rd 2009 6:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 8:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
PS if you guys want any chance in 2010-12 then you really need to get rid of Glenn Beck and your other extreme conservatives who are just bringing your party down.]]>Oct 23rd 2009 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 8:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 10:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
Why are citizens voting FOR fools like this?]]>Oct 23rd 2009 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/
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i know what i'm talking about, but i dont think you do though, feel sorry for y'all haters who have down ranked me or people who responded to my comments.... DONE!]]>Oct 24th 2009 6:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 6:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 7:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 7:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-enter-drafting-process-face-legislativ/Oct 23rd 2009 9:14AM