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FROM iPHONES and ANDROID PHONES HEART I STABBETH THEE]]>Oct 25th 2009 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
Amazon still has the 2nd gen iTouch with the 16 GB for $220.]]>Oct 25th 2009 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/1. better GPS signal
2. The GPS chip can stay active if you turn the navigation app off (phone call) so it doesn't have to re-aquire your position when you start it back up again
]]>Oct 25th 2009 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
Yes, it works with the iTouch because the dock itself has some kind of GPS enhancing chip. So if you go the iTouch, this isn't a bad move. ]]>Oct 25th 2009 11:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
The Engadget OP and the Apple store make it clear this is for iPhone 3G and 3GS only and will NOT work with iPods.]]>Oct 26th 2009 12:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 26th 2009 1:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 26th 2009 1:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
So there will always be room for dedicated devices.

But, the phone can replace those things for users who need the basics and aren't power users.

Is this going to mean the pro stuff is going to cost a shitload (since it's specialized)? I dunno.

Eventually we may have to stop calling it phone because they may be used for so many other things more often than the phone use.]]>Oct 26th 2009 2:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 26th 2009 3:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 26th 2009 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
A small, but important detail as the carkit includes a GPS antenna.]]>Oct 25th 2009 5:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
Sure, enhanced GPS... speakers... I'd say maybe 60-80 bucks, but 120 sans app just feels like a ripoff.]]>Oct 25th 2009 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Ofcz, with iphone you can use gmaps or telenav, but iphone should have had
an internal gps by itself.
Rip off, i agree. ]]>Oct 25th 2009 7:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
True]]>Dec 9th 2009 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/



PS: I think EVERYONE should watch the demo , this is a GPS extension (That works off of the actual GPS satellites) , Not cell towers.

This is assisting the iPhones already available Triangular aGPS ability. Making it much more powerful.]]>Oct 25th 2009 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 6:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
It's a normal GPS, COMBINED with data from the cell network. This makes it better than an equivalent GPS chip, though still not as good as the ones in most standalone units.]]>Oct 25th 2009 6:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/I think you should research before you explain an acronym that you clearly don't know what it stands for. Assisted global positioning system means it's gps that is assisted by cell towers which enhances it further.]]>Oct 25th 2009 7:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
I really don't think the iPhone 3G or even the 3GS has a sat GPS chip in it.

And to the best of my knowledge aGPS (assisted GPS) is only cell tower triangulation. I could be wrong about that one.

Specs please.

Anyways , If it does , please point me to the specs and i'll pick one up sooner rather than later.


All talk and no data.]]>Oct 25th 2009 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
Wrong on both counts. Teardowns have shown that there is a GPS chip inside both the 3G and 3GS, and aGPS definitely uses a combination of GSM triangulation and GPS data.

You say all talk and no data, but a tiny amount of searching would have confirmed what other people told you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS
http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html - See Location.

The iPhone's not alone in having aGPS either, my E71 is amongst the Nokias that have it included, as do several Blackberries.

JK]]>Oct 25th 2009 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3gs/maps-compass.html]]>Oct 25th 2009 9:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 9:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/XKaFxpO1moybnfat.large


OK so judging from the above picture you guys might be right. I say _MIGHT_ be.


Couple of things...
Why is it I have always had this conception that aGPS was Cell tower (triangulation) GPS
only ?

And is there any actual data showing that this "infineon" GPS
transceiver chip is " active " ? For instance we know the FM radio portion isn't active .
Who is to say --this GPS chip is active ?



To many variables. But yes on certain points I think you guys MIGHT
be right on.


A actual close up picture of the chip would help. And one things IS for certain , this isn't no SurfStar III .



Regards,
@XDS]]>Oct 26th 2009 1:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
Dear god you're stubborn.

To be marketed as aGPS, GPS must be present. GSM triangulation alone is accurate to ~2000m, whereas aGPS can tell me within 15-20 accurately. The services uses a combination of GSM triangulation & knowledge of where the satellites are (like TomTom's GpsQuickFix technology) in order to gain an accurate location faster.

Your confusion might arise from the fact that you can get your location on any phone with Google Maps (using cell tower triangulation), but only to a very low resolution. Real aGPS is a lot more accurate.

The diagram you posted shows a discrete GPS chip. Why on earth would they include that & not use it? And no, it's not a SirfStar III, it's an Infineon. As it says. Competition =)]]>Oct 26th 2009 6:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 6:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/
]]>Oct 25th 2009 6:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/Oct 25th 2009 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/The Tom Tom APP only works on the 3G and 3GS iPhones.

The Tom Tom KIT will plug into an original iPhone. You can use it with Google Maps or other geo Apps, I assume.
Now, the question is, does the Kit work with a Touch? If it does and I have to use Google Maps, then that would be almost good enough for my purposes.]]>Oct 25th 2009 7:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/you know that google maps needs internet connection right? also, your iTouch does not have any internet connection? of course you have wifi but its limited to small theoritical 100 m :) good luck with that]]>Oct 25th 2009 9:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/25/tomtom-iphone-kit-now-being-sold-through-us-apple-store/I use it like that quite often.
Admittedly I wish it would do it better... be able to set aside a solid gig of memory for caching for example.... and that wouldn't be difficult from a programming point of view.

Whatever. Just my little personal peeve that the Touch could be a cool little GPS device, if only it was politically allowed to be so.
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