http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/ Engadget Comments for Lenovo's IdeaPad S12 finally on sale with Windows 7, NVIDIA Ion http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Gross.
]]>Oct 28th 2009 2:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/come on intel give us some speed....]]>Oct 28th 2009 4:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
Your picture says it all]]>Oct 28th 2009 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/]]>Oct 28th 2009 10:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/You say that like x64 is a bad thing. :P]]>Oct 28th 2009 2:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
Microsoft would do well to Ponder this: Have you ever seen a system that shipped with a shortcut to Safari 32-bit and Safari 64-bit?]]>Oct 28th 2009 3:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Do you think that is Microsoft's fault? Adobe has to make a version of flash that runs in 64 bit. Flash isn't even graphics chip accelerated. Also, since Vista, Microsoft is requiring companies to release 64 bit drivers if they want their hardware to be certified. So yeah, I think they do want 64 bit to happen.]]>Oct 28th 2009 3:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
Kyle asked "why does MS still make 32-bit and 64-bit flavors of Windows"?

In response, nobody thought to point out that the very machine in this article uses a 32-bit processor??

Choice, my friend, choice.]]>Oct 28th 2009 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
Granted it is 5 times the cost, I will stick with the Lenovo T400s, it only weighs a little more and I get a 14" screen and a solid processor out of it.]]>Oct 28th 2009 7:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
@ the other guy: yeah, i know, netbooks arent really cheap if you compare them to entry-level laptops, but likeyou said, some people just _need_ the mobility and runtime.]]>Oct 28th 2009 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 2:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 3:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
Is the case made out of aluminum and the keys backlit or something like that to justify it? I guess the 1280x800 screen might be easier for older games, but you force it to rescale 720p video.

I can't see anyone who really shops around buying this model unless it drops about 100. At this price you have a small jump to get an Asus U80 or something with many times the power.

Too little too late, Lenovo?]]>Oct 28th 2009 3:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
About the 311 comparison, a similarly equipped HP (win7, 2GB RAM, 250HDD) will run you $529 + tax and shipping. When Lenovo had the sale on it, I got mine for $560 including tax and shipping.

So.. it did actually cost less than the HP netbook and I think the consensus is that Lenovo > HP. Plus, bigger screen and keyboard.

My uses are pretty simple. I'm not a gamer, so I really only use this for word processing, internet, and the occasional HD TV show download (Dexter! ...ahem).

Good buy for me?

]]>Oct 28th 2009 3:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 3:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
Then you get 3GB of DDR3 and the 768 high screen which is a better ratio for movies. The DDR3 probably works a lot better with the ION because the extra bandwidth provides headroom for the shared video chip access. I believe HP ships it with free CULV-based upscaling software, as well.

The rest go on about things like the Acer 1410 and its dual core CPU for roughly the same.

If hard drive space is a huge concern you might as well toss the 160 or 250 hard drive and put in a 500 if you can find a thin enough one. Or make do with an external USB drive for your home movie collection. Besides, it's a waste if you're just going to consider an SSD next year.

The remaining thing people seem to be trying to figure out is if/when the Atom chips can be overclocked in the new models. That will probably make 1080p encoded video run smoothly, but that's just speculation.

If Lenovo was putting a dual core atom in this that would be a game changer. Especially if they did a good bit of work on managing the voltage and trying to underclock the Atom at times of low usage.]]>Oct 28th 2009 3:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 3:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 3:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 3:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 6:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 3:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 3:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
I think people are expecting too much out of a netbook. An Atom processor with 2GB is more than enough for email/word processing/spreadsheets/browsing/powerpoint/media. The only thing it does not do without ION is HD. Now we have an atom + ion and suddenly it is weak?]]>Oct 28th 2009 3:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
So now it's come out, but so has far faster dual core cpus by Intel. That leaves a big schism between getting that ancient Atom cpu with a graphics chip good enough for certain things, or putting your marbles on a processor that's probably four times as fast with an 'okayish but at least usable' Intel 4500 chip. Oddly enough the SU chips can do the 1080p decoding that NVidia constantly harped about, while reports of the Ion show that the decoding is choppy - probably due to the rate the Atom can feed it with data.

It needed to come out months ago to be really exciting. I know I waited with baited breath on every announcement, losing faith with each passing month. Now ION 2 is around the corner, along with promises of dual core Atoms in Jan/Feb, not to mention lots of other things. Just about everything seems to be able to play 1080p video anymore, which was one of the main bullet points. You might as well wait for the early ION netbooks to go on clearance in a month or two when their models are replaced (like the inevitable fire sale of the HP Mini 311 with XP they sell at various stores).

So, spending 600 on a laptop now that is almost immediately going to be obsolete, if not already overshadowed by new entries, is a pretty questionable purchase. There'd have to be some key feature not mentioned yet or something to make it relevant.]]>Oct 28th 2009 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
Look at something like a $599 Acer 1810T (w/ SU7300) and compare it to the $599 Ideapad S12, and tell me what the S12 still has going for it?

Or perhaps even worse, compare the $399 Acer 1410 (w/ SU2300) to the Ideapad S12. It's $200 cheaper, has a vastly superior CPU, and it's Intel GS45 (4500MHD) chipset isn't too bad.]]>Oct 28th 2009 6:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 4:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 11:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 4:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 4:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 8:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/-Can this Ion + atom decode 1080p smoothly ?
- is there and HDMI port ?]]>Oct 28th 2009 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
THE 265 MB GPU Looks enticing ;)]]>Oct 28th 2009 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/
I agree with just about everyone here, compared to everything else available right now, this S12 is just too overpriced.]]>Oct 28th 2009 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/I guess we keep waiting...]]>Oct 28th 2009 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/lenovos-ideapad-s12-finally-on-sale-with-windows-7-nvidia-ion/Oct 28th 2009 12:06PM