http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/*meanwhile Android slowly & silently gobbles marketshare....quietly brilliant*]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
1) The double dipping defense makes clear sense.
The manufacturer of the chip sets allowing for Wifi, 3G, etc. have paid there licensing.
Apple is purchasing those chip sets at a price that includes all their functionality.
If Nokia is trying to double dip (get paid by the chip set manufacturers AND THEN get paid by the companies that buy those chip sets), what's to keep them from sending you or me an invoice, since by purchasing an iPhone, we too are using their licensed technology?

2) It is about the $success$ of the iPhone. When ANYBODY decides to sue, their must be $$$ to go after.
Apple is making significant caching on their iPhones. No one sues a penniless bum.]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/"No one sues a penniless bum."

Except maybe the RIAA.]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
I doubt Apple's best interest is served by letting a jury of 12 laypeople or 1 federal district court judge set the "reasonable royalty" for licensing Nokia's patents. ]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
I'll bet you dollars to donuts that Nokia is aware of that, and double dipping won't be a valid defense.]]>Oct 29th 2009 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
And stop pretending like the sour grapes argument has no validity. The iPhone has been out for YEARS and they're just now getting to this? You can bet your ass that if it ended up being only as successful as the Storm or Pre, Nokia wouldn't even be wasting their time. Would all of you honestly not agree that we would rather see them waste the millions of dollars they're going to spend on this lawsuit on making a truly amazing device instead? They need to spend less time in the courtroom and more of it in the R&D department. Even if they're 100% right and Apple ends up paying a royalty for every iPhone sold, it's not going to turn things around for them overnight. People are moving en mass to smartphones and once they can't keep relying on selling cheap, single function phones (typically given away for free with plans, one of the biggest reasons they have the market share that they do) no amount of lawsuits will save them. Who knows, this might even be their version of balloon boy, just a pathetic publicity stunt to get some coverage.

"Alan Strangis", you're assuming that people don't threaten, or even go through with, totally frivolous lawsuits in an effort to strong arm others into just giving in to their demands. Don't assume for one second that just because they're going to court, they have a watertight case. ]]>Oct 29th 2009 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
I doubt Nokia just filed this yesterday. Takes a long time for these things to get through the system. They could have very well started this process years ago.
Not saying they did, but its possible]]>Oct 29th 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Would you like your iFries with that?

On a serious note, do you think Nokia / Apple are setting this thing up like MSFT did couple of years back? Apple settles with Nokia for chump change and then Nokia goes out and sues everyone else using this settlement as a legal precedent? Apple for all its troubles gets a "fair" share in those future settlements. Like Nilay says "Again, we simply don't know the answer here -- "]]>Oct 29th 2009 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
RTFA

Nope - Nokia's already agreed to licensing fees with everyone else.]]>Nov 10th 2009 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
Hope there's an App for this...]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/app store now has 100k apps...
they even got an app that rejects apps...]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
If there isn't, there should be. ;-)]]>Oct 29th 2009 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
Of course, anybody without a horse in this race could safely bet on Nokia getting a settlement out of Apple.]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
And why now? Why not back when the phone was first released? Nokia would have a lot more credibility if this lawsuit came around in 2006, not 3 YEARS later.]]>Oct 29th 2009 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
And Nokia's claims are no weaker for having waited except to the extent that Apple may argue for waiver or that damages over 6 years old are now presumptively barred (a concept called laches) - for all we know, they've been negotiating for years and have only now finally given up after a good faith attempt to get Apple to pay.

I would not assume Nokia's case is weak or weakened by their actions here, and if the rest of the industry is paying, you can bet that some strong legal minds have examined the patents and concluded that there's a reason to pay.]]>Oct 29th 2009 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
As for why now? Perhaps some feature of the iPhone 3Gs, which could be new, is the problem. Likewise it may have taken a couple years for Nokia to discover the infringements. It's not like Apple called them up and said "nyah, nyah, we're infringing on your patents"]]>Oct 29th 2009 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
Unfortunately fanboys will continue to believe "Nokia = sour grapes" is the only acceptable answer.]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
-> word @ Oct 29th 2009 11:13AM]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 30th 2009 3:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
Wow guys, way to call yourselves out.]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/nokia-sues-apple-says-iphone-infringes-ten-patents/

So... what are you talking about?]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
they are saying that everyone blindingly hyping up the point of view that this is a bitter standoff between two companies are missing the point of what's actually going on here
]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
You should probably get that checked out man. Burning sensations are never good.]]>Oct 30th 2009 2:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
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Apple doesn't want to pay whatever Nokia was asking.

Whether this goes all the way through court, or it's settled before that, Apple's got to pony up something. That's as clear as day. If they were smart, they'd work out a deal, to save on legal fees AND get a settlement that's probably going to be better than what they'd have to pony up if (when?) they lose.]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
Its not like Nokia want them to stop selling anything, they just want the money that's (allegedly) theirs.

]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Nokia n900.,2009 ambient light sensor proximity sensor accelorometer visual voicemail. Prior to iPhone this was just a wet dream for bloggers. ]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/Oct 29th 2009 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nokia-vs-apple-the-in-depth-analysis/
...my Xbox360 should kick the crap out of you troll!]]>Oct 29th 2009 11:25AM