http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/ Engadget Comments for NVIDIA ION LE hack adds DirectX 10 support, raises interesting questions http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/ DX10 is Windows 7 only

I think you mean Windows Vista only.]]>Oct 30th 2009 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
so both are >=vista only..]]>Oct 30th 2009 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971644

XP is DirectX 9 only. ]]>Oct 30th 2009 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
There's two sides to every argument. MS had to draw a line somewhere to salvage a bit of Vista's reputation and stop it from being installed on the world's weakest new machines. But then again... I still think this is pretty absurd.]]>Oct 30th 2009 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
Hardware manufacturers want to give us more powerful hardware but Microsoft are stopping them.]]>Oct 30th 2009 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
I will have to try out this hack and see if it'll work.]]>Oct 30th 2009 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
Also, I'm still waiting for some enterprising hackers to port DX10 / DX11 to XP. Or, preferably, now that OpenGL has finally caught up to DX again, with the latest release, for developers to stop taking the cash that M$ waves in their face and use the open source API instead! It's in their interests, as it makes ports to Linux / Apple / PS3 / PSP / mobile phones / Wii / DS a formality (performance requirements / hardware optimisation allowing).

Byrd,

I can almost guarantee that your HP Mini is faster under 7 because you didn't reinstall all the bloatware / crapware that came preinstalled by HP on XP. XP is much, much faster on low-spec machines than 7. On high spec desktops (really high spec laptops), 7 is indeed faster than XP - this is purely because 7 (and Vista) are much better for multithreading ... both are far more bloated than XP and require a far higher base level of RAM / processor work, though - hence why they're not a good idea on low spec machines.]]>Oct 30th 2009 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
How in the WORLD is it not clear that I understand that? My entire post was regarding that very fact.]]>Oct 30th 2009 2:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
"I think you've misunderstood the situation - it's Microsoft who are limiting the hardware specs, not the hardware manufacturers."

NVIDIA are not guilty of *wanting* to do this, they just have to play by M$ AND Intel's game. Intel are a hardware manufacturer and they do actively collude with M$ on this front. They've no desire to put anything other than the very cheapest, most crippled hardware in notebooks, either! You think they like selling fewer and fewer expensive laptop and desktop stuff?]]>Oct 30th 2009 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
The direction of the OpenGL API has been a confused mess until the last year. The failure Longs Peak disillusioned many and gave people plenty of reasons to develop for DX other than upfront cash incentives. Now the platform is back on its feet and developers will come back to on their own which you are seeing with iPhone games to name the most obvious. See they go where the money is without needing government intervention.]]>Oct 30th 2009 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
You clearly imply that hardware manufacturers wanted to try to squeeze Windows on under powered boxes when it is in fact Microsoft that's forcing them to put Windows on underpowered boxes. Is English not your first language?
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Enjoying the HP Mini 311 w/Win7 & ION!]]>Oct 30th 2009 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
Why would this surprise anyone. A company (Microsoft) insists that a hardware manufacturer (Nvidia) support only certain features on very specific operating systems.

This has been going on for years. My solution, simple, stop purchasing hardware from vendors that do NOT provide drivers for all operating systems (i.e. Macintosh, Linux, Unix and Windows)

No level playing field, none of my money.]]>Oct 30th 2009 12:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/So you happy with your self imposed slim selection of hardware? Very few hardware manufactures will provide 'Official' drivers for many platforms other than Windows. Sure most operating systems will run your basis hardware setup without needing any manufacturers drivers, but you get away from anything other that USB add on devices and support dries up pretty quick.

Nvidia, ATI, and Intel are about the only three I can think of that support a lot of their products on all of those platforms and that's mostly just because Apple uses them in their systems. The main reason for the lack of ALL platform support boils down to cost benefit analysis. Not a lot of people build Hackintosh machines so unless Apple is including it in their base systems or the Mac Pro crowd would buy enough of them to make it worth while Apple is out for support. Next up is Linux, again very small following in comparison to the PC hardware market market so unless a product shares unified drivers with a lot of products and/or those products are core components of a system not going to be supported.

So keep fighting the good fight if you really thing its going to get you anywhere, but its not because companies are evil and want to manipulate what you can and can't use on your OS(s) of choice its basic business fundamentals that kills development for the less popular OSs and hardware categories.]]>Oct 30th 2009 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
First off, he didn't post any actual benchmark results before/after indicating any performance gain. He posted a synthetic benchmark (Windows perf score) which for all we know blanket adds points if your card supports Dx10. Or in this case if the driver reports itself as supporting Dx10. He's strangely left all real before/after benchmarks absent, and refused to answer the question when people asked what his Vantage score was after the change.

Second off, he got a Dx10 driver working with a Dx9 device that's known to be at the very least related -- just because it works (so far) doesn't mean it's compatible. Tons of games don't yet fully take advantage of Dx10. The only "proof" he has that it is working is dxdiag reporting that a Dx10 driver is running. I can get a driver for an ATI 5870 running and reporting as working on my ancient Radeon 9600, but it doesn't make it so.]]>Oct 30th 2009 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
Know what the difference between the manufacturing process in a GTX 260 vs a 280? Nothing. They get tested at the end of the line, those that test stable over a certain threshold get to be 280's, and those that don't get cores disabled and turned into 260's. It's probably the same case with the ION. I bet this is basically overclocking the LE to get the performance gains. Also I didn't RTFA because I am in a hurry, but if this is Win experience score alone, that may just be DirectX 10 capability causing extra points to be added.

As far as DX is concerned, it could be they have to pay MS to license it, so they can sell a DX 9 chip cheaper, or this shows the full ION price is inflated and they can offer a lower cost option that's the same thing.

Anyway, just my 2 cents worth.]]>Oct 30th 2009 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/]]>Oct 30th 2009 7:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
Any numbers on the performance improvement ? With most CPUs or GPUs those further from the center of the wafer will not pass performance tests so are simply badged as budget or mid-range items with lower clocks, the ION LE is probably the same so a certain percentage of people who hack their drivers will see their chipsets die pretty quickly.]]>Oct 30th 2009 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
So for the 8800 series of chips, the perfect ones are clocked the fastest and put in the 8800 GTX, and the ones that performed slightly less well are clocked slower and put in the 8800 GTS with a few pipelines disabled.

This just seems like an extension of that nvidia policy with some Microsoft restrictions tossed in.]]>Oct 30th 2009 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/]]>Oct 30th 2009 7:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Cost of new netbook = $250 - $400
Cost of the new full hp laptop I bought for my sons: $299

I do NOT see the appeal of netbooks. To pay basically the same (or more) than you could for a reduction in power simply makes no sense to me.]]>Oct 30th 2009 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
because,

weight of said HP laptop: 6-9lbs
weight of netbook: 3-5 lbs]]>Oct 30th 2009 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Oct 30th 2009 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/]]>Oct 30th 2009 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/
Games to come...yay :) I cant wait to test out Direct X 10]]>Oct 30th 2009 11:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/nvidia-ion-le-hack-adds-directx-10-support-raises-interesting-q/Nov 1st 2009 5:23PM