http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
I enjoy these lawsuits that point out company flaws, while not showing their own.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
Surley AT & T Can't think that the Americans are that dumb they'd miss the 3G in the voice over, and under each map..

Assuming the data's correct, then they've a perfectly legitimate case to advertise that.

Then again.. I suppose America is the land of the frivolous law suit
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"Surley AT & T Can't think that the Americans are that dumb they'd miss the 3G in the voice over, and under each map.."

there's a reason why coffee cups now say "CAUTION: CONTENTS HOT" and hair dryers have warnings against using them in the shower. actually, there's two reasons:

1) you can sue for anything
2) some people really are the f**king stupid.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
Don't forget...

Light cigarettes having "Light does not mean it will help you quit smoking"
A freezer having "extremely cold"
An oven warning "hot when turned on"

I find some of these warnings to be just the most ludicrous things around.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
AT&T's concerns are valid, but their e-mail or correspondence (a.k.a. the gray text) is WAY too asshole-ish. They blatantly accuse Verizon of being sore losers, but they act like they're the sore losers themselves and are looking for any victory. STFU AT&T.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
No bars, no places.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Not on my city.
Not on my watch.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
Give me a break.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 5:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
If Sprint compared their 4G network to Verizon and AT&T's 4G network, both of the latter companies would have blank maps.

Boohoo.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/

wth, I don't even live in the US.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
I do believe that Verizon has a better network, but I need GSM, and I love my iPhone so it's a toss up on what is more important, great phone or great network (that I can't fully utilize).]]>Nov 3rd 2009 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
All of Michigan is solid red but my friends where on 1X as soon as we got out of Detroit on a trip up North.

Unless Verizon considers 1Xevdo "3G", which they probably do.

1x barely equals EDGE speed, especially at 1 bar of signal....

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hilarious.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 6:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 6:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
This at&t is not Ma Bell.



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Same train of thought:

My first reaction was Verizon is very clear on what they are saying, AT&T should sue the American public for being too stupid. Although on second thought, they should still sue Verizon because this whole "there's a map for that" ad doesn't play well on the radio. Verizon even keeps the pause in there for people to "view" the AT&T map, on the radio???]]>Nov 3rd 2009 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 8:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 4th 2009 12:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://bit.ly/Motorola-droid-will-kill-us-all
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Remember, the average consumer doesn't know the difference between 2G and 3G mobile coverage. The average consumer doesn't use a smartphone. So, to the average consumer a coverage map means "voice coverage." Just because the map is technically accurate because it is showing 3G does not mean it isn't misleading (and AT&T is suing for misleading advertising, not false advertising which is a different charge). It isn't AT&T's fault that the average consumer is stupid when it comes to technology. They are just trying to prevent Verizon from exploiting that stupidity at the expense of AT&T.

Moreover, the fact that AT&T is being very reasonable in its requests, i.e. they aren't asking the court to stop Verizon from using the "There's a map for that" idea or even from showing how much bigger Verizon's 3G network is... they're just asking that it be clear that 3G doesn't mean total coverage, will go a long way in the court's eyes. If AT&T was coming in demanding that Verizon stop the entire campaign and never show a comparison map at all, then they would get shut down pretty fast.]]>Nov 4th 2009 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
That would be like AT&T saying its old GPRS network is 3G.]]>Nov 4th 2009 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
more source: http://bit.ly/ATandT-vs-Verizon-Theres-a-map-for-that-hoax

its good to see kids fighting over a cookie jar sometimes :D]]>Nov 4th 2009 5:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
the commercials definitely are misleading. we can all leave high ranking comments about how the ads "obviously say 3g" but we are also obviously all phone enthusiasts or we wouldnt be on this site. just picture the nerdy kid in science class in some movie saying "obviously!" as he pushes his glasses up. to an airplane pilot it might be "obvious" that when you're taking off you flip the big switch, push the blue button, turn the dial on the right, and then go. but i'm no pilot. and the major majority of people are not phone enthusiasts.

that being said, ive been with friends when one of these commercials came on and heard them say "wow at&t doesn't cover a lot of states." and actually just today my friend's mom asked me "what does 3G mean anyway?" when i tried to explain generations and data speeds she said "oh so it's 3 gigabytes or something? wait, what's a gigabyte?" i THINK i finally got her mostly clear on the very basics, but the bottom line is that they don't understand. and as far as im concerned, selling something to someone by playing on their misunderstanding of it is trickery and is wrong.

although they say "3g" they know damn well they are tricking people into thinking there is more overall coverage. and for anyone who wants to argue with me on that, then how come the iphone users have absolutely no signal in the commercials when they're not in the "3g" areas? they should have still had 2g coverage, but instead theyre looking down angrily at their phones. this is inferred by viewers to be a sign that there is no signal.

another way that the maps trick viewers is that CDMA2000 is a hybrid of 2.5g (1xrtt) and 3g (evdo). i am inclined to believe that the verizon "3g coverage map" is based on their entire CDMA2000 footprint. if theyre going to include their tech, which is a hybrid of 2.5g and 3g, then the equivalent att map ("apples to apples," as another commenter said) would be an att map that includes edge, umts, hsdpa, hspa, hspa+ since they are all basically a "hybrid" too when you consider seamless handovers and the fact that edge is faster than verizon's 1xrtt.]]>Nov 4th 2009 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 5th 2009 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/
If I were AT&T, I'd bow my head in shame and hide.]]>Nov 3rd 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/atandt-sues-verizon-over-theres-a-map-for-that-ads/Nov 3rd 2009 4:08PM