http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/ Engadget Comments for Intel purportedly fast-tracking Pine Trail platform, forgetting all about N270 / N280 at CES http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
DOWN WITH N270!!!!!!]]>Nov 9th 2009 10:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 10:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
But if you don't need any Windows app, you could also consider devices like the Archos 5 Internet tablet...]]>Nov 9th 2009 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
The real question is what's replacing that POS 945 chipset?]]>Nov 9th 2009 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/The graphics hardware still sucks, still no RNG, out-of-order processing and x64 superset but it's okay for browser and stuff.
Might actually play some games properly too...

If the power usage has made the huge step it is hyped for I might actually be interested, otherwise I'll go for the Neo X2 which actually has proper graphics hardware.]]>Nov 9th 2009 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
I'm all for more grunt for my buck, but I'm not sure I ever really pushed the N280 to it's max.

Internet, email office documents... I just use it for the basics. Am I doing something wrong? I feel like I'm a techie, too.]]>Nov 9th 2009 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/

As far as the article is concerned, I'm all for faster low-energy chips as long as they remain low-energy and low cost. If these things are going to cost a lot more and suck a lot more energy then I'd rather just go with a normal Core 2 Duo processor or something. ]]>Nov 9th 2009 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 12:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
I'm game.]]>Nov 9th 2009 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
Same goes for the AMD Neo platform...and unfortunately, Nvidia has stated that they won't design x86-compatible chips.

And that's a real shame. Intel needs worthy competitor to light a fire under their lazy asses, but apparently other companies can't/won't compete in the netbook area.
]]>Nov 9th 2009 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
At that point we will all forget the Atom Pineview. Unless the Pineview will really manage to be as economic as it is hyped for.]]>Nov 9th 2009 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Samsung NC20
Lenovo S12
Cloudbook MAX

But yes, the adoption rate of the VIA Nano is very low. I'm going to chalk that up to pressure from Intel and a bad puplic perception of the VIA CPUs.

For instance, every review of the Cloudbook rated it as having a CPU about as fast as the 900mhz Celeron in the first eeePC.

What every reviewer failed to note was that in the gOS distros the Cloudbook shipped with, it was locked at 800mhz (cpu-freq needed recompiling).

VIA has had a really tough time getting entry, but their products really are quite good. Admittedly, the C7 line was rather slow, but during its time, it was by far THE most power efficient and small x86 CPU.]]>Nov 9th 2009 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
(honest question, I am not being snarky)

Is it CPU operations that will be better, or only that the GPU will not suck as badly as it has before? (but its still not going to be good)]]>Nov 9th 2009 10:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
The main advantage is the lower power consumption and manufacturing costs from integrating more parts of the system. But that means we'll probably see even less diversity in product designs from manufacturers than we do today]]>Nov 9th 2009 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Reading the comment so far (that I can see) it looks like long battery life and HD playback are prioirties.

Maybe the other story today about the ZiiLABS ZMS-08 is a better fit.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/ziilabs-zms-08-offers-cortex-a8-powered-full-hd-and-flash-accele/

If you break away from the X86 requirement bitter, better things are possible.


]]>Nov 9th 2009 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/# Intel Atom N450: single-core with Hyper-Threading support, 1.66GHz, 512KB cache, x86-64, BGA437 package, $63 price-point;
# Intel Atom D510: dual-core with Hyper-Threading support, 1.66GHz, 1MB cache, x86-64, BGA437 package, $63 price-point;

Why would anyone opt for the single core, when the dual core with larger cache is the same price? Unless it is a simple typo and the prices should be $43, $53 and $63.]]>Nov 9th 2009 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/03/atom-cant-feed-rd-monster-intel-outsources-chips-to-tsmc.ars

"The second problem with Pineview from NVIDIA's perspective is that once the GPU moves onto the (Intel-owned) CPU die, it's totally shielded from real competition. In this respect, an on-die GPU is sort of the ultimate in Intel vendor lock-in. But I do wonder if Intel's TSMC deal doesn't complicate this picture.

Intel's stated goal in porting Atom to TSMC is to let SoC customers combine their third-party IP with Atom to produce custom SoCs. What will Intel do if NVIDIA, a TSMC customer, decides that it wants to have a go at Moorestown by trying to combine an Atom core with its own graphics and I/O hardware?"

It will be interesting to see what nVidia does with Pine Trail, given their current status with Intel.

Hopefully we as consumers wont be barred from using nVidia products in next generation atom processors.

Also, has anyone seen any multimedia benchmarks for Pine Trail Atoms yet?]]>Nov 9th 2009 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
I'll be picking up an Asus 1201N with an Atom 330 and Ion and calling it. Check please.]]>Nov 9th 2009 11:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/I think you need to re-think or re-write this statement.

"but techies like us are sick and tired of dabbling with the same underpowered chips and the same lackluster capabilities".

The new pine trail platform improves cost per chip and power consumption mostly. I have seen a lot of discussion how slow this platform is compared with ION with ATOM platform. For netbooks this is great because you will lower the price the netbook, but it you are looking for more power, and overall processor speed, this is not for you.

I am waiting for the CULV's to hit mass market/production and maybe come down to the $450 price point. I own the original ASUS 1000h and I love the portability and price, but I prefer more power. Even with an SSD, the netbook chipsets seems to saturate at SATA1 throughput speeds and let's not talk about FLASH playback.

The only reason to get excited is if you are looking for a cheaper netbook, otherwise, I think this is a step back!]]>Nov 9th 2009 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/
Theoretically, Flash 10 with GPU support will assist, making netbooks more viable machines for playback. As far as I'm concerned, though, a true nerd should have a netbook with Ion. GMA945/950/500 is pure trash.]]>Nov 9th 2009 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/You are right Justin. A new FLASH version will be enable GPU accelaration, but I don't know if or when intel GPU's will get this feature. Right now I think only Nvidia is supported. ]]>Nov 9th 2009 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 9th 2009 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/I am also waiting for a Intel CULV and ION pairing. What I have read though is that Intel for the most part only wants to pair their lower end Mobile processors with their lower end chipsets. And the pricing tells the whole story. Like many articles have discussed, a Intel ATOM/CULV with and intel chipset is much cheaper than a standalone ATOM or CULV processors. That is why Nvidia is cost prohibitive with an Intel lower power processor. All the ION platforms carry a at least a $50 price premium. I am willing to pay, but many OEM's ODM's will only manufacture or assemble a few of these systems in comparison the INTEL proc and Intel chipset. I liek what HP is doing. AMD with ION seems like a logical step forward even though the price to power ratio is not as good as Intel.

ION2 with Intel CULV (preferably the SU7300 with ION2). I am also very curious to see SSD performance. I am also want touch screen functionality ]]>Nov 9th 2009 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Won't beat an CLUV Core Duo...
So why do we care?
M.]]>Nov 10th 2009 10:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/Nov 12th 2009 3:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/intel-purportedly-fast-tracking-pine-trail-platform-forgetting/]]>Dec 4th 2009 10:52PM