http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/come on Joe Hewitt make it happen.]]>Nov 12th 2009 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Funny you say that as, you are currently reading and commenting on a site affiliated with AOL.

I think Facebook is important to people and their lives much in the same way that AOL used to be. However, I don't really see the similarity otherwise. AOL was a service, but primarily it was kind of a walled garden approach to getting on the internet. It was a connection to the internet and a sort of pseuo-internet service in and of itself. Facebook lives on the internet. It is a service. It does not define how its users use the internet, which AOL was notorious for doing with it's reluctance to let users access the internet without their software. Other dial-up services simply offered a TCP/IP connection. ]]>Nov 12th 2009 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
I am an iPhone user and I very much care about "openness". Sadly, what you say is true. Most of them are too ignorant and/or smug to care.]]>Nov 12th 2009 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Your comment is close, but I think the iPhone itself has become the new AOL. It's a walled garden that the huddled masses considered synonymous with a larger entity. In AOL's case in the 90's it was "The Internet"; today the iPhone is "Teh Smartphone"]]>Nov 12th 2009 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Feelings of inadequacy in 5...4...3...2...]]>Nov 12th 2009 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/user F right below you ruined the entire thread. Talk about Combo Breaker!]]>Nov 12th 2009 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
I have a hard time thinking of anything else the Facebook app could do that it can't already or that apple would really take issue with.]]>Nov 12th 2009 3:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
You whiney bitches are the overly vocal minority. Whoever said it was right, MOST people don't care about openness - but it's not because we're "ignorant" or "smug" (PS, how cliched is it to call Apple consumers smug? Get a new mantra for christs sake). People don't "care" about openness because the VAST, OVERWHELMING majority of the stuff they want out of their iPhone is readily available. Plus not everybody is a tech geek. Again, you are all the overly vocal minority, so go take your Pre, your Droid, or whatever other failure of an iphone-killer you prefer to use and get on with your lives.

Downrank starts...NOW!

PS - most people read downranked comments out of sheer curiosity to see what was so "offensive." Fading the text does nothing.]]>Nov 12th 2009 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Yup... downranked... and I agree, I read the down ranked comments to see what morons like you are posting.

Ok, with that being said... I am 100% in agreement that apps that are going to a site for public consumption, require some kind of review. The Apple review process is crap. Check the app for security, check the app for correct memory management, check the app for decent bandwidth usage. When you start checking the app and rejecting it because it doesn't fit in their moral code (or whatever their excuse will be) is wrong.

"You bitches are the overly vocal minority".
That comment makes me laugh out loud, because you sir are one of those bitches. ]]>Nov 12th 2009 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
side note: "F and Mack" sounds like "effin Mac" which is what we have to say around our 5-yr old instead of "fuckin Mac" which is what we say every time we're on Facebook on the Macbook.]]>Nov 12th 2009 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
For example, Apple prohibits any app that duplicates function on the phone..why?

I HAVE to use Safari? I can't use anything else? That's a bunch of BS, and one of the reasons I won't be getting another iPhone until Apple changes its ways. Didn't Microsoft just go through something in the EU about Windows coming with IE? At least in that case users could install another browser, with the iPhone I'm fucked up the ass with Safari.

Apple may be riding high right now with iPhone sales and what not, but they will soon crash and burn unless they change their ways. Though the iPhone has been out for 2+ years now, Apple is relatively new to the cell phone arena. What they are not doing is realizing that cell phones are gadgets that people get bored with. Cell phones are devices that people like to jump around from one to the other every time they renew their contract. Just because people bought iPhones this time around, does not guarantee in any way that they will continue to buy iPhones when they renew their contract. The way the iPhone and app store is positioned right now, the well that's feeding it is going to dry up in a few years.]]>Nov 12th 2009 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/I'm happy with my N85 and iTouch.

Lets wait for the Photo Quality Results of the HTC HD2, SE Idou, SE X10 (iPhone 4G)]]>Nov 13th 2009 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
If you are not willing to produce apps for Facebook on iPhone, we've got SEVERAL MILLION UNDERPAID CHINESE EMPLOYEES WHO WILL DO IT FOR US.

Sincerely

APPLE]]>Nov 12th 2009 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Yeah, that's what I thought. It's called context, look into it.]]>Nov 12th 2009 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Apple does not give 2 shits about the Facebook app. It is a FREE app. For apple all it does is take up disk space and bandwidth and neither of those 2 things puts money into Apples pocket.]]>Nov 12th 2009 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Now that some have realized that their is a problem, now they need to port their apps to multiple platforms NOW.

If one company starts to give you flak, then pull the plug on their version of your app and concentrate on the ones that treat you well.]]>Nov 12th 2009 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
You guys did notice the irony in his dislike for Apple's process... even though his app had been immediately approved, right? Did you guys even read what Hewitt said?

"I am philosophically opposed to the existence of their review process."

Which means he's philosophically opposed to ANY review process. You guys understand that Apple's app store is not the only one with a review process, right? You're so hot to shit on Apple you aren't even paying attention to his reasoning. And this is all DESPITE his app being approved without any issues.

Ask yourself what the app store would be like today without a review process. You think there are useless apps on there NOW? And have you even noticed the lack of malware of any kind? I think Apple has made some stupid review decisions too, but disagreeing with the entire concept of a review process just means he really doesn't have any concept of what would happen without one. Contrary to his misguided beliefs, it wouldn't just be a ton of awesome apps that would show up.

I'm sure his would be great, but it's not him I would be worried about. He's free to do whatever he wants, but he probably should have thought a little harder about his reasoning.]]>Nov 12th 2009 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
He's not developing for Symbian.]]>Nov 12th 2009 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Yeah, that's what I thought. It's called context, look into it.]]>Nov 12th 2009 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Frank: ...yeah, yeah..]]>Nov 12th 2009 1:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Great job at twisting his words to your own wrongful interpretation. He doesn't say that is opposed to ANY review process, he's opposed specifically at APPLE's review process. Other platforms have a review process basically check to see if the app has any malicious code or will break the phone, while Apple has an mysterious set of rules that they refuse to make public so that people can follow them. If you want to see the way to handle a rejected app, check out how Palm handled one of theirs:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/10/palm-responds-to-nanplayer-rejection-we-are-happy-for-it-to-co/]]>Nov 12th 2009 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
"I am philosophically opposed to the existence of their review process. I am very concerned that they are setting a horrible precedent for other software platforms, and soon gatekeepers will start infesting the lives of every software developer."

As I pointed out, Apple is not the only company that uses a review process. He just doesn't like review processes at all.

"The web is still unrestricted and free, and so I am returning to my roots as a web developer."

In other words, he doesn't like review processes. Not just Apple's - anybody's. WebOS has a review process too, if you want your app to show up in their catalog. And it's not like Android is as open as they'd like you to believe either, remember this?:

http://www.itworld.com/mobile-amp-wireless/65504/google-bans-tethering-app-android-market

It's right there in their TOS. If you violate it, your app is removed. How "open" is that? Note that he's not going to any other phone to develop, he's going back to the web. There's probably a reason for that.

He doesn't like review processes, or apparently anybody telling him that he can't do anything he wants. He's a crybaby.

“the review process needs to be eliminated completely.”

Does that sounds like somebody who's perfectly fine with review processes from other companies, like Palm?]]>Nov 12th 2009 1:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Actually Symbian has the biggest development community on the planet and don't pad their numbers with people who just downloaded the SKU to get the iPhone OS 3.0 Beta either. As for apps, Symbian has had them for years and as a result there's been a lot of weeding. Apple are yet to do this.]]>Nov 12th 2009 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/
Seeing as how you absolutely looooove using direct quotes, show me a direct quote where Joe says "I don't like any review process".
Yeah, you can't, because that's not at all what he said. Jeff W got it right in his post, so I don't feel the need to repeat it.]]>Nov 12th 2009 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/can you get any more of Steve's dick in your mouth?]]>Nov 13th 2009 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/facebook-app-developer-rejects-app-store-irony-ensues/Nov 12th 2009 11:08AM