http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/ Engadget Comments for Pioneer suing Garmin over three navigation patents http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Uh......?]]>Nov 16th 2009 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 8:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/
so much for free navigation.]]>Nov 17th 2009 12:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Anyways, lolercopter! Epic photo.]]>Nov 16th 2009 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/
Also, to be perfectly frank, I've used Google Navigator, and it's decidedly "just okay". I definitely wouldn't trade in my nuvi for it.]]>Nov 17th 2009 12:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/In-Dash/GPS-Navigation-Systems#section=gallery&id=1]]>Nov 16th 2009 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/
Anyway, somewhere Google laughs while the GPS companies attack each other instead of improving.]]>Nov 16th 2009 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 8:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 16th 2009 8:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/
Go to avic411.com for info on the Pioneer navs.
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So every single GPS system infringes on this... Any idea how much Pioneer makes in royalties on this patent?]]>Nov 16th 2009 11:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 17th 2009 12:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/
I can't stand when a company that's getting spanked by the competition goes the lawsuit route. *COUGH* AT&T, Nokia, and Pioneer *COUGH*]]>Nov 17th 2009 1:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/Nov 17th 2009 7:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/
The Kenwood DNX line GPS software is a hell of a lot better, primarily because it's made by Garmin. It's too bad that the entire unit is so underpowered in the processor department that all you want to do is rip it out of your dash and throw it out of your moving vehicle. It takes almost 2 minutes just to get the thing to start up so you can listen to the radio. Then once it actually is powered up the interface is so laggy that it makes you think you're using a windows mobile smartphone. I had a DNX9140 for about a week, swapped it out with another one with the same issue. I just don't have the patience for that. When I push next on a track 20 seconds shouldn't go by before the next song starts playing.

Maybe I'm picky, but when I pay over $1000 for something I expect it to work better than just "ok". In the case of Pioneer and Kenwood even calling it "ok" is a stretch.]]>Nov 17th 2009 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/pioneer-suing-garmin-over-three-navigation-patents/
I have an AVIC-F500... pretty nice GPS. This one is kind of a hybrid... it's removable, like most of the Tom-Toms and Garmins and all, but it can be integrated into the sound and power system. This was rather needed in my 2003 Prius, rather than the Pioneer in-dash, as it's all very non-standard. You get GPS and an MP3 player. The 5" screen also doesn't suck, and it's one of the best GPS apps I've seen (I think it's a Pioneer-customized version of iGo). Plays music and videos from any old SDHC card. And the unit cost me $180, with another $40 for the 2009 maps.

With that said, I had a problem with it last month... sent to Pioneer, no problems, no questions, they fixed it. In the meanwhile, I bought a DROID phone, and I was using Google Navigator since. I won't say Google Nav is always better than the Pioneer... it's not. But factor in "early beta" and "the navigation function is free, with the device"... a device I would have bought anyway, and I can understand why the GPS people are getting nervous and circling their wagons. ]]>Dec 3rd 2009 4:47PM