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Only thing is, I'm really not sure why they couldn't just put the IR emitter above the screen. The standalone dongle is a little lame, but whatever....]]>Nov 17th 2009 10:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/100hz, My thinkpad t61p 4:3 sxga+ can run at 150hz, and boy is it FLUID. I hope by now people believe that refresh rate exists and humans don't have a "limit" on fps perception (bah oh wait i just scrolled down nevermind well, i'm getting a bit tired saying this time and time again so here's a prev comment:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/20/sony-demos-19-inch-fed-display-running-gran-turismo-5-at-240-fps/comments/15721830/]]>Nov 17th 2009 11:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 17th 2009 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 18th 2009 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 17th 2009 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 17th 2009 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 17th 2009 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 18th 2009 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 18th 2009 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Seems kinda overkill. Looks like it'll sterilize those who do use it on their laps too.]]>Nov 17th 2009 9:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 17th 2009 9:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/
I challenge anyone out there to create a design that's attractive when you are not using the glasses (usable at least) and 3D when you do.

How would you achieve it? That's your trouble now! ]]>Nov 17th 2009 9:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/A 3d on off link...]]>Jan 6th 2010 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/I'd rather stick to full res, highest settings 2D than low res or low settings 3D...

Just so the people who know less of what I'm talking about:
-Each eye see's like 24-30FPS whatever
-Monitor refresh at 60Hz usually
-This one refreshes at 120Hz
-Divide the refresh rate by two*
*Because you have alternating images for each eye (somewhat like red/blue 3D)
-Most modern games don't even reach 60FPS
-Anything under 30FPS isn't too enjoyable, so 60FPS on this 3D laptop is actually 30FPS



I can already feel the FAIL.]]>Nov 17th 2009 9:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/
Disclaimer: I have never played WoW, and probably never will; it would be too addicting for my poor mind.]]>Nov 17th 2009 10:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/
No. Wrong.

"Now for the real question: How many FPS can the eye actually see? This question has been debated for a long time. You’ll see threads about it on the America’s Army forums. No one really knows what the limit is, or if there even is a limit. We know that the limit is beyond 220fps because the USAF used to test pilots by flashing an image of a plane in front of them for 1/220th of a second. The pilots would then have to identify the plane. They actually did quite well.

What does that mean? That means that if you could game at 220fps, and an enemy appeared on the screen for just one frame, you could see him and possibly even identify him. This is a gamers best friend, as having any edge they can get is very important. Of course, most systems don’t get 220fps in America’s Army, and even if they did (like Bullet’s computer) you hit one more snag."

http://www.cookieofdoom.com/2009/07/01/busting-framerate-myths/]]>Nov 18th 2009 11:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/
I don't think you quite understand the concept, or under stand how extra FPS helps.

I'm the owner of a Samsung 2233RZ, 120hz LCD. When playing games @ 120hz, 120fps, constant, the thing is HEAVEN on an LCD.

I can get a video, in a window, move it around the screen and there is no motion blur, I can see everything perfectly, as if it weren't moving. Do that on a 60hz panel and it blurs. I can get a text box, or a window of Chrome, and it's absolutely clear when it moves, because it's refreshing 120 times per second.

For gaming, it's absolutely AMAZING @ 120hz/120fps.]]>Nov 18th 2009 12:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/]]>Nov 17th 2009 9:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 17th 2009 11:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 18th 2009 12:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 18th 2009 1:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 18th 2009 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/
No. Wrong. The 120hz touted by HDTV makers is not at all the same as the 120hz in computer LCDs.

When you raise the cap from 60hz to 120hz on computer monitors, it does indeed affect the GPU when you enable vsync. The GPU does - in fact - need to render every one of those frames. All 120 of them. If it doesn't, it isn't keeping up with what your LCD can display.]]>Nov 18th 2009 11:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/
Mine and multiple people I sold it too, did not work.

NVIDIA blamed Samsung. The tech is stuffed for most people, yet they don't help you.

Very nice :)]]>Nov 17th 2009 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 17th 2009 10:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/
I don't believe there is any consumer polarised glasses, so I'm not really sure what he is comparing it against.]]>Nov 17th 2009 11:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/
The way I GUESS it works (I regularly game on a 22" 140hz eDimensional shutter glass system and have a eMagin Z800 HMD) is this:

Game sends 1 frame (left eye). Monitor displays left eye. Game sends right eye. Monitor displays right eye. Game doesn't send left eye (not enough frame rate to keep up to 60hz) - Monitor displays OLD left eye. Game doesn't send right eye (again not enough FPS) - Monitor displays OLD right eye.

That way, your REFRESH rate is running at 120hz, displaying 2 different viewpoints to the viewer, even when the game FRAME rate might only be 30-45fps.
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And i'd love to try some games in 3D, the price should come down to a reasonable level in a year or two.]]>Nov 18th 2009 5:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/
If you want to try a 3D, you can go to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Discover_Main.html All you need is a pair of red/blue glasses. Of course there will be a color shift, and I am not sure if the effects are the same as the shutter glasses, but it might be worth looking into and the glasses can be found for free somewhere, and I believe all Nvidia drivers support this now.

Or, go into a big electronic retailers store, they should have a display sitting around.]]>Nov 18th 2009 12:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/I have a pair of red-blue glasses at home, but they are something completely different from polarizing or shutter glasses, the colors are very distorted and some of the one eye's image always gets through to the other eye which sucks.]]>Nov 19th 2009 5:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Well of course it sucks, it is free, but that would be about the cheapest way to try and experience 3D, and it is supported by the current Nvidia drivers.

Also, I watched Chuck in 3D with those glasses, it was not great, but still fun to watch.]]>Nov 19th 2009 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asus-g51j-3d-sports-nvidia-3d-vision-with-120hz-display-to-bring/Nov 18th 2009 7:46AM