Editorial: Chrome OS is what I want, but not what I need
There's obviously something seriously wrong with me, since the idea of a feature-stripped OS that over-relies on a web browser at the expense of more powerful single-purpose apps has delightful shivers running up my spine. In fact, in a fleeting moment of ill-advised adulation, I was considering buying a netbook with solid state storage so that I'd be all prepped to hack this pre-release version of Chrome OS onto it and web-app to my heart's content. The real issue is that at the end of the day I know I'm always (well, for the next few years at least) going to be too reliant on "heavyweight" desktop applications like audio, video and image editors to really cut the cord and stuff my whole life into the cloud. But the chimes of freedom flashing in Chrome OS are too great to ignore, and I think there's plenty going on here that could be very beneficial to a "real" desktop OS.
Why do mobile phones get all the fun? It seems we've been so focused on getting great, functional push updates into mobile operating systems like Android and webOS that we've forgotten that we spend most of the time on our desktop or laptop computer, thoroughly confused by the amount of communication whizzing past us. I shouldn't have to hack things into my OS as core to my life as an integrated notification tray that pulls in email, IM, calendar and Twitter updates. Luckily, it sounds like this is something Google is looking at bringing to the regular Chrome.
Another instance of what appears to be a core Chrome OS competency that I've had to hack into my life -- in this case using the wonderful but fundamentally limited Mailplane. Why should it take an all-new OS to make dragging and dropping files to and from web applications a common occurrence? I also love the concept of plugging a drive or an accessory into my computer and its default action being to present itself to my browser. This does not sound like crazy talk to me.
I love the pop-up IM window that can be minimized or moved to the sidebar, but sticks with me whatever tab I'm in. No word on these coming to the standard Chrome, but they should -- particularly with all these online music services these days breathing new life into the dreaded pop-up window.
If 90 percent of what I do is in a browser, why can't I take that environment with me with as a simple login? This is another thing mobile phones are starting to get into, particularly again with Android and webOS, and that I'm glad to see Firefox is bringing in version 4 with Weave.
The idea of someone making open source software that's targeted at specific hardware and even dictates some of its environment shouldn't feel so refreshing. Android has struck a nice balance between a tightly regulated ecosystem of Google-approved "sure thing" devices and a wild west of non-Google devices powered by the open source elements of the OS. I've always been rebuffed by Linux due to the inconsistent hardware support and knowledge that if the system breaks I won't know how to fix it or get back to my data. The combination of the cloud-reliance and Google's heavyweight status means I could actually see myself buying a Google-branded 3rd party device -- a monetary commitment that I've never felt Ubuntu quite merited, despite its multitude of partnerships. I'd love to see a company like HP (for instance) go beyond mere skinning of Ubuntu and really commit to stepping on Microsoft's toes and investing in an open source desktop operating system to the point that it can offer true competition.
Google's concept of a Chrome OS device as a second computer is probably my largest point of departure. I think these features are things that should be built into a "real" OS, and I don't want to juggle two different laptops of minimal physical distinction. (A phone + laptop makes sense, I'm not sure a phone + netbook + laptop does.) Sure, the security, stability and boot-time functions of Chrome OS are what set it apart from a traditional desktop OS, but those usually pretty low on my priority list: I haven't gotten a virus in seven years, my computer rarely crashes (Firefox on the other hand...), and I don't have to worry about boot time because my computer is always in sleep mode.
There's also the fact that many web apps have been designed to operate with a local storage of files to draw from (Flickr, YouTube, Gmail, blogging), so I'm not sure I want to juggle the appropriate USB stick everytime I want to be more than a passive consumer of content -- if all my creation takes place in Google silos, I actually start to become a less productive member of the web.
If Chrome OS can breath new life into low-powered hardware and provide a low-cost alternative for someone who just wants to do email and play Dolphin Olympics 2 on their netbook, then that's great, but for me, a self-described power user, I'd benefit more from watching these features land on my Mac and Windows and Ubuntu PCs than from waving goodbye to Photoshop and iMovie in exchange for a Google-built operating system.
Built-in Google notifications

Drag and drop in the browser
Another instance of what appears to be a core Chrome OS competency that I've had to hack into my life -- in this case using the wonderful but fundamentally limited Mailplane. Why should it take an all-new OS to make dragging and dropping files to and from web applications a common occurrence? I also love the concept of plugging a drive or an accessory into my computer and its default action being to present itself to my browser. This does not sound like crazy talk to me.
Persistent panels

Login-populated, portable user environment
If 90 percent of what I do is in a browser, why can't I take that environment with me with as a simple login? This is another thing mobile phones are starting to get into, particularly again with Android and webOS, and that I'm glad to see Firefox is bringing in version 4 with Weave.
Free but compatible
The idea of someone making open source software that's targeted at specific hardware and even dictates some of its environment shouldn't feel so refreshing. Android has struck a nice balance between a tightly regulated ecosystem of Google-approved "sure thing" devices and a wild west of non-Google devices powered by the open source elements of the OS. I've always been rebuffed by Linux due to the inconsistent hardware support and knowledge that if the system breaks I won't know how to fix it or get back to my data. The combination of the cloud-reliance and Google's heavyweight status means I could actually see myself buying a Google-branded 3rd party device -- a monetary commitment that I've never felt Ubuntu quite merited, despite its multitude of partnerships. I'd love to see a company like HP (for instance) go beyond mere skinning of Ubuntu and really commit to stepping on Microsoft's toes and investing in an open source desktop operating system to the point that it can offer true competition.
But... I still need my real OS

There's also the fact that many web apps have been designed to operate with a local storage of files to draw from (Flickr, YouTube, Gmail, blogging), so I'm not sure I want to juggle the appropriate USB stick everytime I want to be more than a passive consumer of content -- if all my creation takes place in Google silos, I actually start to become a less productive member of the web.
If Chrome OS can breath new life into low-powered hardware and provide a low-cost alternative for someone who just wants to do email and play Dolphin Olympics 2 on their netbook, then that's great, but for me, a self-described power user, I'd benefit more from watching these features land on my Mac and Windows and Ubuntu PCs than from waving goodbye to Photoshop and iMovie in exchange for a Google-built operating system.






















sing with me "I have this feeling that somebody is watching me " :)
@Satz
Nicely done.
@Satz
sing along fail...
lets try it again
"i always feel like somebodies watching meeeeee"
@earthboundloveship, No.
@earthboundloveship
Of course I know the lyrics..lol..its my favorite song..
@Satz I prefer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4T_QtiepG8
MP3: http://bit.ly/12myyU
Chrome OS is such a terrible idea.
Just replace Android with webOS.
@Teslanaut
thats absolutely brilliant stuff
@Satz exactly, but i agree with the writer this would be a good 2nd computer, but you are going to need a real OS to run things
i like it how low ranked ppl LITERALLY disappear, i almost thought i can't find them at all.
@Satz
You know, I'm just so f-ing bored of people with all those stupid conspiracy theories about "omg teh google is sooo evil and does harmful things with my data". Get real, man. Seriously. Unless YOU are a harmful person there's absolutely NOTHING you should be worried about!
Google are indeed "watching you", but: 1) it's a trend many other vendors are taking part in and 2) it also happens on your Windows-based PC.
Cool story bro
Alright, I admit... I laughed.
@Adrian
I was not aware we let wiggerz in this club.
What's the world come to?
On topic, though, it's definitely THE perfect OS for netbooks. That's exactly what netbooks are all about - simplifiying, stripping down to the bare minimum for everyday computing - access to work suite software and a simple Web browser.
I like the idea of Jolicloud a LOT more than Chrome OS. :P
@MZLweasel
It's too bad that Jolicloud has been stuck in alpha for an eternity and a half.
@NikAmi Yeah but it's still pretty solid and they hand out invites very quickly.
@MZLweasel
Yeah. I usually have Windows 7 going on my netbook, with Jolicloud as an alternative I like to play with at times. Ultimately I still need a full OS, with local backups and the like, so I'm not jumping totally into the cloud anytime soon.
Thank you for this great article. Great, and I agree with every point you've mentioned. Well written, respect!
this would be slick if t hey also included the ability to run android apps!
While I agree, I think that would defeat Google's point behind the Chrome OS browser-based philosophy.
I respected this entire editorial.
...
Until you posted your desktop screen shot.
@CarpeD1em500 That's actually an image of my iMac desktop, tuned to show Expose for the Snow Leopard review. Don't hate on Paul for using an appropriate image to illustrate his need for a real filesystem.
@Nilay Patel
Is there some reason I can't up vote your comment?
@Nilay Patel
Wow okay since I never thought I'd ever have any real interaction with Engadget (yes geeked).
Nilay - PLEASE please please do something about the top part of Engadget taking up between 50 and 75% of my browser. I open this site every 2-3 hours EVERY day (check my IP, I've been here for years) and I swear by you guys, but this new "commerical" appeal is killing my eyes (and my heart, slightly).
I don't need to scroll by the same thing every 2 hours just to get to the "fresh" news.
Also - I'm an even bigger Joystiq junkie, so please don't bastardize that site (and the undersites) with the top bars and all this junk also!
(((I sincerely mean that in the nicest way possible - I LOVE this place, but it's just so bogged down now it's annoying to find the newest news buried amongst all of the new "modules")))
-the new comment system rocks btw!
@steve
Yeah the reason is in the welcome to new engadet page.
@CarpeD1em500 You have a netbook? And I think there should be a 'pay' option, remove the hideous top-of-page ad as it spoils the site imho; maybe put another couple down the side or a small peeling top corner ;)
@iSox10
I don't, I have a freakin 1920x1200 screen!! and I still only see the very first "story" headline and maybe the beginning of the picture.
I'm not even kidding, I have 1200 pixels and thats all I get. It's absolutely ridiculous. And that's without any ads (thanks to ABP), so Lord only knows how much more real estate THOSE would take up...
And if they ever create a pay system I'll leave faster than a road runner.
@CarpeD1em500
Wow I didn't know that someone who had a different preference than you on what OS best suites THEIR needs was grounds for losing any respect. If anything your comment is a reason not to respect anything that comes from you going forward. OS X bashers and Windows Bashers alike are morons and both sheep in their own right. It's like republicans who have no idea what the republican party really stands for or understand that ideals of the Democrats but blindly bash Democrats because they are 'the other guy' and vice versa.
@mrt2
a) This isn't about my fanboyism anymore, it's about a cry for help to Nilay about the bastardization of Engadget's homepage.
b) I guarantee I know more about OS X, its tech, and its "culture" than most people with Macs, so I'm not blindly bashing anything, nor am I a sheep. I just pick winners. If you disrespect that, fine. Move along while I try to save my favorite tech blog.
@mrt2 Oh shut-up.
@CarpeD1em500
"I pick winners."
LOLOLOLOLOL
@Teslanaut
Market Share.
Application Support.
Ratio of overall App Support vs. Stability
Creator was never fired from company.
Overall flexibility of the OS.
Reputation within the business world.
Integration with Xbox.
@CarpeD1em500 You always have a DIY option - download the "Element Hiding Helper" companion extension for ABP and you can easily hide the specific boxes you don't want to show up. You can fairly easily remove the "Hero" bar and the "Top Stories" box. Of course, if they change the site much in the next couple days/weeks, you might always have to redo your blocking settings, but it's not hard.
@CarpeD1em500: Do you use Firefox? With AdBlock+ and then I hid the big Top Stories block with the site CSS extension Stylish (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108) . The Latest Posts section now starts 350px down instead of close to 900px when the ads etc display. I might eventually hide the featured posts area soon too.
@Brian B. + @mac404
Wow - I actually hadn't thought of that idea. I'll check that out! Thanks so much!
@CarpeD1em500
You can also change your bookmark to http://www.engadget.com/#latest
@mrt2 I don't think he was criticizing the choice of the OS, but the wallpaper. Let's be honest, this cat is an all time low in Apple's design history (http://gizmodo.com/5344205/8-years-of-great-mac-os-x-box-design-end-in-a-stupid-clip-art-cat). Having this cat as a wallpaper is almost as horrible as the Snow Leopard default wallpaper (I *hate* it, and I still have to look at it every time I log in -- or is there a way to change the wallpaper of the login screen?)
@CarpeD1em500
Userscripts are your friends.
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/62407
@CarpeD1em500 are you implying that you don't like Mac's?
@CarpeD1em500
I agree with you, it takes up about 2 times the vertical space before I even see new articles. Seems redundant to me.
@Kirtay
Nice link! The Engadget site is MUCH nicer now. Thanks.
@CarpeD1em500
Hit the Search button at the top of the page without typing anything into the search box. I have no idea why that works, but it gets rid of most of the junk at the top of the page and just gives you the stories like the way the old site was.
@Student Driver
Yeah; I mean, the modules and stuff are nice, but more for weekly readers.
The dailies want news.
And they want it. Now.
Incidentally, the script works on Chrome 4.0, so that's good.
@CarpeD1em500
Market Share.
- What does this have to do with anything? Apple isn't trying to dominate the market with OS X, they are trying to make money. Their approach seems to work quite well. Its not an indicator of the "winner"
Application Support.
- Last time I checked all the applications I needed work on my Mac, including important ones like FinalCutPro, Photoshop, and Microsoft Office. You're right I don't get the latest games, which if its important to you so be it, but thats what my 360 is for.
Ratio of overall App Support vs. Stability
- You're kidding right?
Creator was never fired from company.
- First, what does this have to do with which OS is better.
- Second, he was brought back and saved the company from failure.
- Third, the OS they have NOW is based on the OS he created at NeXT, so um, its a good thing he went there and started that.
Overall flexibility of the OS.
- Nice vague statement that provides no evidence in support of it being a better/worse choice for anyone. Hooray for empty fanboy lines!
Reputation within the business world.
- Um, do you realize the reputation Windows has in the buisness world? I really don't think you do, elsewise you wouldn't be making this argument.
Integration with Xbox.
- Funny, I use my Mac to share stuff with my xBox all the time...
Look, if you want to prefer Windows, go right ahead, thats cool, its nice when people have choices and stuff. But when you troll around claiming you are better than others because your choice is different then theres without any substantive difference to support your conclusion or serious criteria to base it on, fanboy talking points instead, well, it pretty much makes no one take you seriously. Go troll somewhere else like Gizmodo dude.
Its also obvious you entirely missed the point of the new site update, but hey maybe you can go integrate your PC with your xbox somemore...
@CarpeD1em500
I also had a good laugh when I saw the OS X screenshot combined with the words "but I still need my real OS" ...
@krizoitz
Market Share:
If you don't think that Market Share has a little something to do with "making money" (your words), then you need to go back to business school. Apple's actual OS sales pale in comparison ($ wise) to MS. The reason they make money on computers at all is hardware, which they can mark up ridiculously high because they have a monopoly on the "Mac" computer segment.
App Support:
Games, Utilities, etc. That's awesome all the apps you "needed" worked on your Mac, but if you're going to tell me with a straight face you've never EVER come across a program that didn't have OSX compatibility, well...then I'll show you a liar. However I can put my hand on a Bible and say I've never come across a program I wanted (or needed) to use that didn't have Windows support.
Ratio:
Not sure where the joke here is...
Creator:
(1st)It doesn't, its just funny to me and I knew you'd get all mad about it.
Flexibility:
Maybe you need to look up the word flexibility. Windows is a platform available on nearly ever computer created, in one form or another. It runs the on-board system in my Cadillac. It runs phones (sure, OS X runs 1 phone, arguably better than WinMo, so w/e). Hell it ran the Dreamcast. Point is, OS X is limited by Apple and therefore will never reach the true potential it may (or may not) have. Flexibility = Good. No argument for the contrary I can see.
Reputation in Business:
It's the standard for a reason. Period. Sure, when you own like 80-95% of a market (aka the biz market) there will be issues and headaches, but that comes with the territory (aka, having a ridiculous market share, which, if you go back to the first item, is also related to money.)
Xbox:
I meant Windows Media Center integration. Not sure if OS X has any apps that support stuff like this, but I stream HDTV and Recorded TV to my Xbox (which doesnt have coax nearby) all the time. If OS X can do this, cool. I doubt it can. (Mainly b/c this is called a Windows Media Center Extender).
I'm not a troll. I just provided some "serious criteria." So...yeah. I don't mess with Gizmodo because I'm an Engadget guy. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Also, for the record, this post has like 20+ replies and is highly ranked, so...clearly some people around here take me seriously. Just sayin'.
And as far as the new site update, please, please enlighten me as to the "point" of it. Because from my power-user end (aka someone who checks it between 5 and 10x a day), it's just a large annoyance that is in-between myself and learning the latest about the tech/gadget world.
However, I realize I'm not as smart as you are, so please enlighten me as to the "point" of the new update. Actually, I take that back. From a business standpoint, I get the update. It makes the site more consumer friendly and will increase traffic and money in Engadget's pockets. But what I do not understand is why they wouldn't have built in a "classic" mode for the users who made Engadget what it is today.
So what was the point of THAT my friend?
I agree!....I think maybe 10 years out applications such as photoshop will be just as powerful running in the cloud!
@thecybernerd
I would say more likea a couple of decades at the pace our web infrastructure is moving.