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The rest of the comment system, including hiding replies, is absolutely fantastic. :D]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
It'd also be nice if I could push one button to unhide all comments, rather than having to do it case by case.
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Also, I hate how the articles are written in Times New Roman. Serifs on fonts are terrible on the eyes!]]>Nov 20th 2009 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
Ridiculous.]]>Nov 20th 2009 2:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
If the industry as a whole can't stop vampire energy usage and can't limit their consumption of juice while on, then have someone bigger than them step in and force them.

If an industry can't self regulate, then we'll find someone that will regulate for them.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
I'm glad I don't live in CA any more, but I fear these kind of mandates will sweep across other states as politicized, alarmist science continues to influence new legislation.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Look dude, the only "problem" is that humans consume resources. There is no escaping that. We are also smart, and once the availability of a resource begins to dwindle, we will either find a way to make more of it, or find something to replace it. What I'd like to know is how you can justify destroying our economy with cap & trade carbon limiting.

Climate change is NORMAL.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/I respectfully disagree. I don't think we need regulations; I think the free markets are enough to put our resource appetites in check. We've been "running out" of oil for a while now, and while the government has made significant investments in alternative energy development, and (albeit slowly) tried to regulate auto emissions, it took the oil price spike to actually create real interest in alternative energy. Another example is salmon fish, the populations of which were at one point utterly decimated. So we began building enormous salmon farms, since the demand was there, and now we have all the salmon we could ever want, and for a quarter as much as it cost a few decades ago.

I know not every resource is renewable, but we will always find a way to get what we want.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
If the government would allow more nuclear plant construction this energy crisis would be much better than its going currently. And we wouldn't need these regulations. The most important energy concern we have currently is lowering our oil consumption--especially foreign.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/I second that.

Efficiency = good
Waste = Bad

There is no way to argue against that. We need make resources last and have a smooth transition to more sustainable fuel rather than running out and being fu*ked for a few generations.
]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/"we will always find a way to get what we want" spoken like a true American.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Agreed on the nuclear power point. It's clean and abundant. Why the government has ignored this proven method of power production eludes me. Perhaps it's the tree-hugger aversion to the word "nuclear" that has bled into public opinion.

@Fais
Yes there is a way to argue against that. It's that this kind of legislation is an absolute job-killer, and it's the last thing we need in such a fragile economy. We would only be putting ourselves more at risk to the growth of the world's emerging economies.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
I'd also like to apologize for my previous outburst. This is a nice exchange we're having.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Yes the sun is abundant but at the moment the technology is not quite there. Once solar technology advances to the point of being cheaper than what the Earth has to offer, the free markets will naturally swing to solar power.

@melloncollie
I see what you're saying, but I really think the free market will triumph. Obviously oil won't run out *all of a sudden* - (one day we've got gas, the next day we don't). It will slowly become more and more expensive until the cost is prohibitive, and we are, by our frugal nature, forced to utilize another source of energy.

No apology necessary. This has certainly been more civilized than many internet debates.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
I think this is an example conservative vs liberal attitudes. Melloncollie is looking long term at the big global picture problem is in the long term we’re all dead. Alex is more concerned about what is going on in his own back yard problem is the rest of the street may be on fire. Both of you are right because there needs to be a balance of free market and intervention to correct market failures. ]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/That's a rather unfair illustration of conservatism. Yes I'm looking out for our quality of life, but I'm also looking out for the millions of jobs that would be destroyed by cap&trade, and the likes of it.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
My point? Let's have some carefully crafted incentives for the market to go into the right direction. Since this applies to all people in the market I really don't mind this one.

(And speaking of incentives, I really can't get over the fact that many countries subsidize OLD technology like coal mining which is neither the future nor helping us solving our energy crisis)]]>Nov 20th 2009 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 9:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
@Sebastian
We're going in circles here. The "incentives" you speak of are artificial and will never take hold until there is a real market demand for the technology.

@Brazell
I agree and furthermore I believe this is just another left-wing money grab because if you've seen CA's deficit numbers, they obviously can't sustain their reckless spending without new taxes. This is just a back-door way to institute a new tax, under the guise of "saving the Earth".]]>Nov 20th 2009 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 9:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
As a horticulturist, its really amazing how efficient plants are at capturing solar energy to use for all of their needs. For those of you with some biochemistry and have studied photosynthesis extensively know that scientists have said for years that if we had technology that could do what plants do, we would have no energy problems at all. Unfortunately we don't even have tech that comes any where close to photosynthesis' efficiency--heck there are parts of photosynthesis that scientists can't even explain what happens. So my point is that green energy is great, but its more of a long term goal that needs supplementation.]]>Nov 20th 2009 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Yeah I was watching something on the quantum tunnelling and the apparent 97% energy transfer rates in photosynthesis yesterday. Pretty cool stuff! ]]>Nov 20th 2009 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
Q: So what do Rudolf Diesel, George Washington Carver, Thomas Edison, and Henry Ford all have in common?

A: They were all firm believers in peak oil. They believed oil was running out at the turn of the century. Henry Ford tried to work with Thomas Edison to build an electric car, but found it impractical. George Washington Carver suggested using both Peanut Oil and Soybean oil as a bio-fuel, and became a pioneer of bio-fuel production. Rudolf Diesel specifically designed the Diesel engine in order to burn Carver's Bio-Fuel. It was only later that it was discovered that the unused oil that was left over from refining ( the stuff in the middle that was to viscous and slow burning for gas or lamp oil, but to much of a solvent to work as a lubricant) would burn nicely in Diesel's bio-fuel engine.

So whether we are at peak oil or not, some of the most intelligent people in the world have believed we were at the very beginning and were proven wrong.

My take, yes we have a finite amount of oil, but as it becomes scarce the price will increase causing us to invest in alternate energy sources that were previously impractical. Henry Ford's Electric car concept was not a practical concept then, but it is now that oil is more expensive and battery technology has improved.]]>Nov 20th 2009 10:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
The Green movement would more believable if it wasn't hypocritically blocking solar farms and wind farms at every turn.

With Nuclear and our own Natural Gas and Oil reserves we have enough energy to last 1000 years. However, that doesn't let the government control us or profit off forcing us to import oil.

Drilling off the coast and piping it to refineries, would reduce natural oil seepage and eliminate most of the oil spills that occur in the ocean from large oil carrying vessels.

Television companies are already working to reduce power consumption on all of their models. LCD and OLED consume less than Plasma but even Plasma makers have started to add technologies to reduce power consumption.

The free market will take care of this for us. Most people will buy TVs that use less electricity to reduce their own energy bills. The government does not need to mandate this.]]>Nov 20th 2009 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
If CA is like NY - we pay ridiculous energy rates. If you reduce the amount you use significantly, they just raise the delivery fee to make up the difference.]]>Nov 20th 2009 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
So soon, we'll all be allowed one lightbulb in our main living area and it will be attached to a government regulator who determines when it is on and off. I mean after all, we don't need to have lights at all they are a luxury.

As long as our homes are above freezing we can survive in them too right.

While we are at it, who needs to eat all the luxurious food. From now on the government mandates that all you can a eat is a healthy life sustaining gruel made from tofu and micro-nutrients.

Be careful what freedoms you give away in pursuit of the cause du jour because you just might not get them back again.]]>Nov 20th 2009 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
I feel as if the government wants to blame us for this crises. Yes it's our fault we exist and we use resources to establish our lives lol.

They're the ones to ultimately blame because we gave them our tax dollars to spend on this country not to bail out their friends.]]>Nov 20th 2009 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 22nd 2009 5:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Its just like with the zero emission laws]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 8:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34021207/ns/technology_and_science-future_of_energy/]]>Nov 21st 2009 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
Just wondering if some politician without any understanding of technology just pulled some number out of a hat or whether there was research saying that brought them to those numbers.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/

Evidence means nothing to Liberals.....remember these are the same cest pool that think we can CREATE green energy.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/They probably did studies on what they think is attainable based on current tech. But I would like to believe that that the process actually involded Schwarzenegger and a hat.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
Also, it's very possible to turn photovoltaic energy into electrical energy. There's essentially an unlimited supply of photovoltaic energy produced by the sun. That's pretty sustainable energy to me.]]>Nov 20th 2009 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/
So how do you plan to store mass quantities of photovoltaic energy?

How about reliability? What happens when its cloudy or storming?

Spew your Al Gore'isms elsewhere. Have you not seen the headlines today? Scientists are now saying climate change has stalled: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html

Perhaps climate change is in fact due to the earth's cyclic climate cycles. Don't be fooled, there are billions of dollars to be made by scientists and investors if the people are brainwashed into believing this crap is actually real.]]>Nov 20th 2009 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/california-mandates-tv-energy-efficiency-improvements-by-2011/Nov 20th 2009 8:10AM