http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/ Engadget Comments for Entelligence: Chrome OS, babies, and bathwater http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/It seems to me that Chrome OS is too ambitious for the present. The future may be the cloud, but the cloud is not yet in the present.]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
I completely agree. Sadly, I still don't think that will bar tweeners from snatching these up]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/I was really disappointed with the release details for chrome os, its in no way innovative.
Linux offers tones more functionality than chrome os and has the free element going for it also yet it has not caught up to the market share of its competitors which is a shame but unfortunately a sad reality.
I see chrome os as being a failure before its even released, I mean at least the eye os guys did some innovative stuff with regards to a cloud based operating system.
Another thing which doesn't have me jumping for joy is how google dont seem to understand linux yet they are building a distro, they decided to drop hal and hard code information instead, thats a horrible hack.]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
Now in Netbook land... hmm, this is a very difficult sell. Various Linux distros already tried it and while it wasn't a disaster as soon as the hardware could run Windows they were pretty much done and dusted. The problem is if you've got typical netbook hardware you have a system quite capable of running XP or Windows 7, why would you cripple that potential with Chrome? It doesn't seem to give you anything you can't get with a web browser. Yes, it should be more secure and easier to support and maintain but is Windows 7 really that bad on the security side nowadays?

Basically, if you can supply Chrome OS on a netbook device for a very low price point (£100 would be the cut off for me) then there's potentially a very big market there. If it's much more than that... why would you choose a crippled device over the flexibility of a Windows box?]]>Nov 20th 2009 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 6:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
Because Google can afford to pay you (advertising revenue) to use their OS.]]>Nov 20th 2009 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 21st 2009 12:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
Sure it's limited, but it's limited to the things people normally use a computer and phone, stuff like email, social networking, and word processing. Limiting the hardware is a good thing. It allows for lighter more rugged devices, better battery life, and stability for Chrome OS.

Add in cellular data support and wifi to keep it connected to the cloud and updated, and secured. The end user doesn't have to think about updating, and let's face it, a lot of users don't update and secure their pc's anyways.

A Chrome OS device essentially would be an easy to use pc, and since netbooks are so popular why not take it to the next level?]]>Nov 21st 2009 4:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
No it's not. Netbooks w/Chrome OS will be out and about next year. They'll probably have long battery life, like all day, and a price tag lower than most netbooks out right now. Why would anyone put Chrome OS to a system they currently own, unless they want to mess with it.]]>Nov 21st 2009 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
And Chrome OS is probably for someone who doesn't spend 10 hours a day on a computer. ]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
Which, anecdotally, accounts for about half of all the people I know.]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
You just summed up my wife, and my parents, and my sister, and even my older brother's computing experience... WoW... that makes me the minority in my family. So, from my very very small sample, Google is targeting the majority.

Google always does a great job of getting people talking, and if they do that well than I could see this being as successful as a netbook market can be.]]>Nov 20th 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
"I spend ten hours or more on a computer every day, so if Chrome OS isn't for me, then who is it for?"

Exactly not you thats who. The whole point is that its a cheap and simple to use alternative for people who don't use a computer for there job. It's for doing the things that, I think, a large majority of people actually use a computer for. I'm a programmer, I not interested in using it at all, but its not targeted at me. And having a target audience for a product is not a cop-out. I don't understand how you can think that.]]>Nov 20th 2009 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
No, no, no, you're confusing Chrome OS with Nokia n900. Chrome OS has nothing to do with phones.]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
Just a thought.... It might be for someone who doesn't spend 10 hours or more on a computer every day....]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/You need to get a special "Google Chrome OS netbook" just to shave 5 seconds off the boot time and run what is essentially a feature rich browser. ]]>Nov 20th 2009 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
So by your reckoning, a core 2 duo with 2 GB of RAM boots in 7 + 5 = 12 seconds? Is that without an operating system, perhaps?
And I'm sure you will be able to run Chrome OS on whatever computer he has. It's just not optimized for it.]]>Nov 20th 2009 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
Their OS of choice is going to be a totally open source Web based OS for tablets. It might be a decent play. No one really knows what we're going to do with these things, if they take off at all.

if its good enough and cheap enough, Ill buy a couple, in addition to the Courier I absolutely have to have on the launch day. Damn that thing sounds cool. Just the eternal notebook part is enough to sell me on it., I'd pay a grand for that or more. ]]>Nov 21st 2009 1:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
I don't understand this statement. Today's personal computers are more function-rich than ever before, thanks to those complex architectures, and things like the web browser. I'm not sure your entire conclusion is, actually. I mean, it read like every other piece of near-sighted criticism of new invention that hasn't been invented yet. It's not to say you are wrong--odds are against new inventions, they tend to fail, but it reads like a bunch of contradictory statements.]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/

Also, speaking as an Indian residing *in* India, it's simply impossible for a cloud-based OS to succeed here even in the near future. Countries like India don't yet have the internet infrastructures to deal with things like that. While almost every place in our country has broadband access, not everyone makes use of them; furthermore, there are frequent outages, both of the internet and electricity. It'd be kind of a bummer if you lost half your OS's functionality every time the electricity went out. :)


Also, this is my first comment on the new Engadget layout. Woot. ]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/To top it off barely have broadband (256-512 kpbs is not broadband in todays world) at home/office, connectivity on the road is slow and prohibitively expensive. ]]>Nov 20th 2009 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/My conversations with gran go more like this:
"Oli, the disk format failed whilst I was re-partitioning my ext3 into ext4, and now I've lost all of those hours of writing open-source interactive knitting tutorials. I backed them up on the external hard drive, but Jim changed the password, where can I find a good dictionary cracker for Debian these days?"]]>Nov 20th 2009 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
LOL, that cracked me up!]]>Nov 20th 2009 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://twitter.com/jwherrman/status/5895989355):

Although I'm perfectly happy to start calling Chrome OS "Google Kiosk Mode"]]>Nov 21st 2009 2:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
As long as it integrates well with a windows home network, I'd love a Chrome OS tablet built with tegra or snapdragon.

But it would be a toy, real work requires a real computer. ]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 21st 2009 1:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 21st 2009 3:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
Plus, am I the only one believing this Chrome OS thing is gonna compete with its little brother Android??]]>Nov 21st 2009 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
I think this applies. Your arguments are a mix of poor history predicting the future, and simply bad arguments. For example...

"although connectivity is important to many applications I use, browsers leave a lot to be desired, and desktop apps can far surpass them"

Sure, except that's part of why google is building a new browser and their own OS. As you allow the browser to interact with the desktop, the argument that desktop apps are "better" is pointless.

When thinking about what the tech will look like, you need to cancel out some obvious problems that can be cleaned up, such as the browser/desktop interaction. That's kind of they're doing. Fixing that issue. So to make it an argument against the OS is pretty silly.

I think chrome will morph into multiple forms. One on a netbook that's network only, and one that will live along with another OS. That, or chrome OS will allow some native apps (plenty to choose from), and sync disk storage to the cloud.

Think what the tech will look like 3-5 years from now, and be very careful with historical comparisons.]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
Decent internet connection was just getting to be common place in people's homes. Think - did your grandparents/parents have broadband 5 years ago. Do they now? I honestly don't know anyone without internet anymore. It's everywhere!

Now think 5 years from now and the quality and quantity of broadband connection is going to be incredible. Stop thinking about the limitations of today and start looking at the possibilities of tomorrow.

Cloud based systems is the future. ]]>Nov 20th 2009 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
Lo and behold, a lot of people, I'd say a majority of people now use webmail rather than a proper dedicated desktop email application. Convenience is king.

I think Google is banking on the same thing happening for other applications: Photo management, music jukeboxes, office applications, etc. They themselves provide a lot of these applications.

Sure, some people still need to run Photoshop or FinalCut, or need to compose and edit music in their computer. But the fact is that a lot of people will be happy with ChromeOS.]]>Nov 20th 2009 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Given, this doesn't seem to be as user friendly as the system previously described on Engadget, the litl. http://www.litl.com/ That system also uses the cloud to store and backup all data, but seems to handle off-line usage more mmmmm gracefully.]]>Nov 20th 2009 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/
If Google set up a way to synch with iPhone and Exchange, I would drop it like a hot potato. Outlook, I mean.

I wonder how many apps we use locally could be replaced with simplified, low-overhead versions. I don't use every single feature of Photoshop or AfterEffects or 3DSMax. If there were compatible "light" versions that would run from the cloud and a local cache, I'd consider the leap from Windows.]]>Nov 20th 2009 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Drop it like it's hot.
http://www.google.com/sync/index.html]]>Nov 20th 2009 10:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/entelligence-chrome-babies-and-bathwater/Nov 20th 2009 3:55PM