http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/ Engadget Comments for Nokia sues LCD manufacturers for alleged price fixing (update: joins AT&T) http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Dec 1st 2009 4:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Well Joystiq did, at any rate.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/30/pro-plantiff-erik-estavillo-subpoenas-bill-gates-in-rrod-suit/]]>Dec 1st 2009 4:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Dec 1st 2009 3:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Dec 1st 2009 4:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/i remember your hate-post-reply to one of my posts 6 months ago. But upvoting you just caz your post seems to make some sense.

Remember this, Enemy!]]>Dec 1st 2009 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
Sorry for nitpicking, but Finland isn't really one of scandinavian countries.]]>Dec 1st 2009 7:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/And that is important because.....
The fact that you perceive all of those actors as Foreigners doesn't mean thay are. In orther to conduct their business they have stablished themselves in the US among several other countries. People/Companies doing businesses out of their birth countries are sunbject to the laws of those countries where they do business.]]>Dec 1st 2009 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Mind you here's what wikipedia says (although that's no proof I know)
"..though Finland is often considered a Scandinavian country in common English usage, with Iceland and the Faroe Islands sometimes also included"

But the dictionary says
"1 a native or inhabitant of Scandinavia, or a person of Scandinavian descent.
2 the northern branch of the Germanic languages, comprising Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Icelandic, and Faroese, all descended from Old Norse."

So it's a language thing huh.
I stand corrected, thanks for watching out for me.
]]>Dec 1st 2009 8:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/*blush*
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It's more of a historical thing as wikipedia explains it. Common mistake :)
One of the "Nordic Countries" is a more correct term i believe.]]>Dec 1st 2009 10:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
Its Thomas Ricker writing an article on Nokia , what can you expect.]]>Dec 1st 2009 4:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Dec 1st 2009 5:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/share than Canalys:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/15/nokia-posts-834-million-quarte rly-loss-smartphone-slips-anothe/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-10375971-266.html

And Gartner (which measures units SOLD, not shipped) shows a decline year over year. Here's a direct quote: "Nokia's share of the
worldwide smartphone market reached an all time low in the third
quarter of 2009 at 39 per cent, compared with 45 per cent in the
second quarter of 2009"

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1224645]]>Dec 1st 2009 5:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
Dear iRicker. Nokias Q3 was only negatively affected by the NSN division. The handset / devices division actually did very well.

Btw. Why am I displayed as "unverified" when commenting? I have a registered username and all .]]>Dec 1st 2009 6:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
Quit the fanboyism Engadget bloggers, it might help also the sinking traffic of this site.]]>Dec 1st 2009 6:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Failing market share does not necessarily equal failing sales.

The Gartner article you link to only dicusses a fall in sales from Q2 2009 to Q3 2009. At no stage does Gartner compare like-for-like (i.e. Q3 2009 vs. Q3 2008). Sales are cyclical. Will Engadget be referring to every companies' "waning sales" in the quarter after the holiday season?]]>Dec 1st 2009 6:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/FUD is their business my friend...]]>Dec 1st 2009 6:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Dec 1st 2009 6:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
Sure it's true that Nokia's market share is sliding, margins are a bit down and so on, but why do you have to force this into almost every Nokia related article you post? It doesn't add any relevant information to the news story itself. It's all beginning to feel a bit constrained.

Yes I know it's kind of lame to whine about these things since this is in essence a website which feeds from the reader-writer interaction and personalities with different styles are essential, but hey still, if you can find a way to tone down the attitude even a bit it might help to improve this already great gadget blog. At least from an European point of view. Or maybe not. Whatever. This site still gets my vote for the blog of the decade.]]>Dec 1st 2009 6:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
"Dell announces new Inspiron line -- have we said that Nokia market share is sliding and we love apple?"]]>Dec 1st 2009 6:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
I added that sentence for one reason: motivation. Granted it's speculation, but I imagine Nokia would have less motivation to sue if it was dominating at the high-end of its portfolio reaping high-profits on high-margins. With margins so thin on dumb and feature phones, every penny counts.]]>Dec 1st 2009 6:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
And its also funny to notice that you actually dont beat other worse companies, like Motorola and Palm, with the same argument.

Another way of seeing the facts is that Nokia is going UP right? Why I dont see this? When are you guys actually going to give the real facts and stop messing with words?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/19/apple-reports-fiscal-q4-earnings-1-67b-profit-mac-sales-way-u/

http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/16/apples-lawsuit-against-psystar-examined/]]>Dec 1st 2009 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
I absolutely don't like this, but any salient brand (like Engadget) has a disturbing (for some people, in many ways) attention drawing style (check Apple and Sony). "Bashing" is clearly Engadget's style and it's not specific to Nokia only.

Also, you can't blame them for exploiting human nature to make money (more bashing = more attracted attention/visitors = higher ad revenue)]]>Dec 1st 2009 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
"And Gartner (which measures units SOLD, not shipped) shows a decline year over year"

Well, yes, but you're missing a few things:

1) According to Gartner market share is down by 3% however smartphone sales are up by 1.6 million. As I recall they were up YonY the previous quarter by over 3 million.
2) The decrease in market share is largely down to the increase in the US market where Nokia have no presence. There were 12 million or so smartphones sold in the US last quarter. Nokia accounted for a million at best. This is not typical of the rest of the world - share dropped by 10% in EMEA but grew by 30% is Asia Pacific for example.
3) The US smartphone market is primarily driven by Apple and RIM. Apple launched the 3GS at the end of Q2 with the bulk of sales being counted in Q3. The difference in growth rates between Canalsys and Gartner are where they place iPhone 3GS sales. That's why Canalsys shows a modest growth for the iPhone and Gartner's a marked increase.
4) In regions outwith the US where Nokia compete against Apple, RIM and others they generally sell more units than the next four or five competitors combined.

The problem is, Thomas, that you're reporting a very one sided view of things that doesn't take into account the facts. I'm not saying Nokia don't have issues but they're not anything as bad as you would have us believe.
]]>Dec 1st 2009 9:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/suing people]]>Dec 1st 2009 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
"Nokia's high-margin smartphone sales waning against stiff competition"

"the sheer volume of lower-priced handsets Nokia sells at razor thin margins."

Give me a fucking brake will ya? These come straight from your mind.

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In Nokia's third Quarter Financial results they stated that average price per handset sold had dropped to 62€

No "brake" (sic) for you and none for Nokia either.]]>Jan 17th 2010 7:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Dec 1st 2009 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Dec 1st 2009 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
Att, as it may sound funny, has the ability to tap phone conversations of illegal practices in this if the government allocates it. Nokia is just doing what they can and is in talks with Att.... or should I say the already disliked Att.

I would not find it unusual for Att to use this in court.]]>Dec 1st 2009 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Dec 1st 2009 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/
This is in the top 3 read common article in Google.com tech news site.

Price Fixing happens very often. Just put the CEOs with a Hot Microphone in the room and I will have no problem as an Economist. Price Fixing is difficult to prove in court otherwise.]]>Dec 1st 2009 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-sues-lcd-manufacturers-for-alleged-price-fixing/Dec 1st 2009 11:06PM