http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/peek-a-boo, I see you...always]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
psh! like that's going to happen]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Or just leave your phone elsewhere. Use it as your alibi. "Officer, how could I have possibly robbed [victim] when I was at [location]?"]]>Dec 4th 2009 6:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/The.
Fuck.




This is awful. Sprint should have pitchforks lobbying outside their offices right now if this is true. I am not about to let my country turn into Big Brother. Fuck that.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
...YOUR country? HA! You make me larf....]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Invasion of privacy? Yup, there's a map for that. ]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
I just think you allow guns to stop us Brits invading again, it appears the enemy has been within all along.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/You do know per CALEA they are legally required to do this right?

If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the FCC.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
Erm... not reading up on political news? Big Brother is already here.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/meh i honestly dont see why any of you are really this mad....

police arent going to just go in and ask for GPS data randomly... there will be a REASON no matter what... and if you are doing sketchy shit than maybe you are on the list...

if i had sprint i wouldn't care ... who is going to be looking at my data?

honestly if i REALLY cared i would simply turn the gps receiver off on my phone... problem solved.

people are making too big of a deal about this... get real.. the government is not sitting there watching your every move... ffs if you are a normal person theres nothing to see here.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 11:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
I have news for you. 1-GPS can be turned on remotely on many phones. 2-AGPS is always on since the network has to know where you are.]]>Dec 3rd 2009 12:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Of all the myopic shit...

That all depends on what is deemed sketchy!
Just because it's not your turn now, doesn't mean it won't be.]]>Dec 3rd 2009 12:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
It also helps in locating people who are lost and/or injured. If it used to take hundreds of people days of searching to find you, it can now be done by two people in minutes. Simply fantastic!]]>Dec 3rd 2009 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Brtad in fact Verizon has been fighting this you can tell from court filings. Verizon has filings fighting it and Sprint has none. Verizon maybe doing it but it is save to say they are not facilitating it so willingly and whoreishly]]>Dec 19th 2009 9:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
Hmm i guess the rumors of Nextel being ran by the police are true...]]>Dec 2nd 2009 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/I depended on you to not rat out where the weed was. thanks a million]]>Dec 2nd 2009 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 11:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 4:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Engadget is just interpreting this in the most insanely paranoid fashion possible.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/8 Million times in one year people called 911 on Sprint? Ya... no. Maybe that is one instance they did that, but is certainly not THE reason.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/article728860.ece 911 is called 12 million times a year in canada]]>Dec 2nd 2009 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/From personal experience I know I've had to legitimately call 911 a few times before to get ambulances and report accidents and crimes (not always for myself but for other people-like when I saw a hit and run on a pedestrian) so I'm certain there's millions of 911 calls a year on Sprint. It doesn't have to be 8 million 911 calls because if someone calls 911 they might get their location data requested repeatedly as the police head to find them, although I'm sure this only happens on rare occasion.
But think about it, if Canada has 33 million people living there and they call 911 12 million times a year, why don't think it's possible that Sprint's 49 million subscribers would have called 911 enough times to trigger 8 million GPS location lookups by the authorities? The alternate explanation you seem to want to embrace is that the police are out there randomly looking up people's meaningless GPS location data to find out whether you're at the mall. I'm all for privacy but give me a break, nobody cares where most of us are at and if they really wanted to track us they'd have to request our data like every hour and that'd be a hell of a lot more than 8 million requests.
So calm down, take a deep breath, and just be happy that Sprint has made it easy for the cops/ambulance/fire department to find you when you call 911.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
/sarcasm]]>Dec 2nd 2009 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 3rd 2009 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 3:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
You, sir, deserve some sort of highlighted background from the admins of this site. Every post is pure gold.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/I also think he might be including the triangulation of location based on towers only since not everyone has a GPS enabled phone and people who do have GPS on their phones probably have it turned off most of the time anyway so if this were really 8 million GPS location requests it'd mean the everyone who ever had their GPS on got a request. Seems a lot less likely than that they basically did location lookups for 8 million people who called 911.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 3:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Location data, URLs visited, text messages sent and received, and other metadata is available to law enforcement even if it's not in response to a 911 call, and it's available without warrants and its access, in practice, goes unreported. All that is needed is a pen register order, which is obtainable by law enforcement simply asserting that "the information likely to be obtained is relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation" (USC 3122.b.2). In other words, "we're cops, and we believe we need this information. We do not present any evidence to you, your Honor, to back up our claim."

Telecoms are legally required to provide such information pursuant to the CALEA act (signed by President Clinton), but have also monetized the process, and it's likely that they collect a profit by providing information to law enforcement agencies. For example, Cox Communications provides 30 days of customer call logs for $40. It isn't hard to imagine how much money Sprint may have collected with 8 million requests.

All this information is available in Christopher Soghoian's blog post on the topic, which Engadget has failed to link to. http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2009/12/8-million-reasons-for-real-surveillance.html]]>Dec 2nd 2009 10:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
No, there are 8 gang members, and they have been harassed 1 million times each.]]>Dec 3rd 2009 6:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/1) Pre-paid cellphone.
2) a Handkerchief or a voice distorted.

]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
Well, ppd cells can still be triangulated and may have GPS built-in. If you're suspected, you can probably be tracked down in real time.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
"Secretly and without a warrant, they delivered to the federal government the private, domestic communications records of millions of Americans — records this administration has compiled into a data base of enormous scale and scope."

This happened during the Bush years, in the name of national security. If you don't like it, write your senator or congressman about it. Telecoms are only going to do what they have to do according to the government, so every one of them will continue to do this as long as it's encouraged.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/It's not just immunity protection- they are legally required to comply due to CALEA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act]]>Dec 2nd 2009 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
It's not that they are doing it because they are protected under immunity, they are legally required to comply per CALEA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act]]>Dec 2nd 2009 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/And obama ratified AT&T's immunity from prosecution about their breach of the bill of rights incidentally, bush, obama, any other government leader on the world, they are all little fascist rats and you should never forget that.
]]>Dec 2nd 2009 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Whoops sorry if I made it sound like immunity was why they were doing it. They were doing it because they are required to, but I meant to imply that immunity gives them a reason to make it easy for location data to be accessed quickly and without accountability.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/
Now, I don't know if they got ordered by a court to comply but I do know they initially said no and stood their ground.

To my knowledge they never did cave like ATT did and seemingly as Sprint currently is doing.

I don't know about Verizon.]]>Dec 2nd 2009 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 3rd 2009 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/sprint-handed-customer-gps-data-to-law-enforcement-over-8-millio/Dec 2nd 2009 4:02PM