http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/ Engadget Comments for Harvard and MIT researchers working to simulate the visual cortex to give computers true sight http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
The neurons don't hold information in the same way a variable in a computer program does. It's the pattern between them that counts.

If they can work out exactly how this system works, they will find it can do a lot more than just recognise objects.]]>Dec 4th 2009 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Actually, individual neurons to hold information. Their depolarization events set of protein transcriptions that alter the baseline state of the neuron, sensitizing or desensitizing the neuron to future events, or guiding internal event processes upon further depolarization. Neurons are not just wires.

The real trouble is that computers apply equal value to all fields of an image. The brain applies more value to items central to its field of focus, to items that are in motion (in specific directions, not just any motion), and to items with a stark contrast from their background. Shapes don't hold much value, except for the shapes of facial proportion (faces, cars, animals, classic houses). Applying these simple rules doesn't acquire a neural network, although my programming abilities are fairly non-existent these days. If a fourth dimension of "relevance" were added to each pixel as compared to its value in adjacent frames in conjunction with current facial proportion recognition, could produce a much more effective video processing application.

James Sonne, Ph.D. Student of Anatomy & Neurobiology, UK College of Medicine.]]>Dec 4th 2009 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Actually memories are formed from little angels who shape clouds in to pictures and sight is magic light which God splits, like rainbows, into picutures.

-James, home schooled with the teachings of the Church]]>Dec 4th 2009 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
I didn't mean neurons don't hold 'any' information, just that it takes a sequence of them to represent anything meaningful. The biological processes involved are indeed complex, but much of this is unnecessary when you are making a computer model, as long as you understand 'why' it is happening.]]>Dec 4th 2009 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
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Assimilation! ma hoy vin haven, with the lasers and the, voot voot]]>Dec 4th 2009 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/2...
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...Begin Robot Takeover]]>Dec 4th 2009 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/ ...Begin Robot Takeover of all beautiful things]]>Dec 4th 2009 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
I think encoding our high-level knowledge in the model will be difficult.]]>Dec 4th 2009 10:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Cigarette in mouth. Nicotine addict or poser.]]>Dec 4th 2009 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
That's not... exactly a "cigarette." ]]>Dec 4th 2009 12:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
Ah yes, Marley, the greatest nicotine addict and poser of all time.

Learn some pop culture and how not to be a judgmental ass and then come back.]]>Dec 4th 2009 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 10:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
]]>Dec 4th 2009 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memristor

And these: http://www.google.com/search?q=memristor&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Yea, seems like I'm the only one using the term. I feel so left out =(]]>Dec 4th 2009 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 7:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFdDPzcZwbs

My world is becoming bigger!]]>Dec 4th 2009 8:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
Me: Hello Operator.
OP: Hello, Truth What Can i do for you.

Get me all the rss feed from all my favorite blogs and arrange them in order of comments and extract that boatload of German midget porn we downloaded yester...err

In all seriousness, when this does become mainstream, i would like to see general computing head this route (wont eve replace manual programming or creative task of course)]]>Dec 4th 2009 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
Let's be honest for a chance :/
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CS researches in intelligent agents are working on that. They're not necessarily perfecting it, but they are. ]]>Dec 5th 2009 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/


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Except the face recognition is on the top of the list of things that the human brain is capable of. Its power to recognize facial patterns and discern minute differences is unparalleled in any other computational device we know of. And so by copying it, we learn how it's done, so that we know more about our brains and about the world in general, and can take that knowledge and better apply to it other questions.

Researchers will keep on researching the world, and you can go on being paranoid and sending angry letters to your politicians. It's not scientists' job to make sure their tech isn't abused after they've learned about it, it's just their job to learn more about the universe. Einstein hated what his atomic research was used for, but he didn't stop, nor should he have.]]>Dec 5th 2009 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/They know it's a whole separate parts and subsystem because there have been cases of people with physical brain damage who had all faculties and completely working vision but they became completely unable to recognize faces, and of course later more evidence came from modern scanners that show brain activity when doing tasks.
So no, to start with facial recognition is not the logical or scientific approach, and even if it was, sometimes you have to be wise and not give authorities tools that you know will be used only for nefarious uses, even if it means a slightly longer road for you to travel
It's like taking the time to turn the handle of a pan on the stove away from the reach of small children if you have kids, yeah it's easier to not do it but come on.
Schools should teach students a bit about responsibility too I think.]]>Dec 6th 2009 6:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
It will subsequently hack into MIT, DARPA, NASA, etc. and download the construction plans it needs.

Artificial Robot hand.....check
Simulated Visual Cortex....check
Track-like tank feet.....check

Johnny 5....IS ALIVE!]]>Dec 4th 2009 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Stay tuned to find out.

P.S. Log out and back in to get the 'pick a name' box and rid yourself of 'unverified'
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JESUS! That's why this guy is a neuroscientist and not an aerospace engineer!]]>Dec 4th 2009 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
http://discovermagazine.com/2009/oct/06-brain-like-chip-may-solve-computers-big-problem-energy]]>Dec 4th 2009 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/And that article doesn't seem the same at all on cursory glance, it's stanford not MIT & harvard for starters.
You can't shuffle all under one post 'scientist are investigating stuff' more news if they stop doing that..."
]]>Dec 4th 2009 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
I was recently at IEEE: biomedical circuits and systems conference in beijing a week ago and there were some interesting talks on development of analogue computers. Basically simulating neurons in silicon. Very interesting stuff.
If anyone is interested do a search for Prof. Ralph Etienne-Cummings from Johns Hopkins University, or Dr. John V. Arthur from Stanford University. ]]>Dec 6th 2009 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/
I think the Engadget editors are actually zombies.]]>Dec 4th 2009 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 4th 2009 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 12th 2009 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Dec 5th 2009 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Is you a girl?
]]>Dec 12th 2009 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Artificial intelligence is just a joke.]]>Dec 9th 2009 11:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/harvard-and-mit-researchers-working-to-simulate-the-visual-corte/Yes they can, just make an artificial intelligence, then spill a glass of tea on the circuit to dumb it way way down, and done.
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