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Ever since your first posted I wondered to myself " hmmmph, I wonder how long that is going to take to stop being funny and start being annoying..."

That time has come.]]>Dec 10th 2009 6:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Thanks,
daina]]>Dec 11th 2009 3:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/I honestly stopped reading once I read this thing does not come with an optical drive.It's nothing more than a supercharged netbook imho. I'm in the market for a new lappy, but I'll pass.]]>Dec 12th 2009 10:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
It's a feature!

]]>Dec 10th 2009 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
I heard this thing grills some mean slider burgers too]]>Dec 10th 2009 9:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 5:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
What do you expect from an i7? I'd be surprised if you got 1 hour manufacturer aside.

Which is probably why you won't see an i7 in a MBP for awhile, or ever.]]>Dec 10th 2009 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 6:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
okay, you do know that you have an option that can increase your battery life 2 or 3 times over right? The battery slice that was downplayed in review is actually a decent option. The argument that "It will add bulk" makes little sense when the review noted earlier that the laptop was super thin. A few millimeters should be no big deal for hours of extra battery life, right? ]]>Dec 10th 2009 6:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
You’ll likely see an i7 in the MBP come early 2010. The HP Envy has a 45nm “Clarksdale" i7-7xxQM with a 45W TDP that was released in September 2009. The next MBP will have the yet unreleased 32nm “Arrandale” i7-6xxM with a 35W TDP.

This will match the current MBPs and will save some power due to the lack of a separate Northbridge, which I read has a max TDP of 8W.

The Envy uses a power hungry quad-core while the MBP will have a more power efficient dual-core. Some will scoff at this but it’s a wise move for most notebooks at this time. Just look at the battery rating of this Envy to see why.]]>Dec 10th 2009 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
If that is actually your picture and if you are over the age of 21 then I want to marry you.]]>Dec 10th 2009 6:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/you need to spend more time on 4chan. then again, no, nobody does. nevermind.]]>Dec 10th 2009 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4453/zoechloe210am2.jpg

You're welcome.]]>Dec 10th 2009 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
Any day? Then you don’t understand how processors work. More cores don’t equate to more performance. Are you also still stuck thinking that more Hz equates to more performance?]]>Dec 10th 2009 11:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/All things equal, more cores and higher clock speed absolutely equals more performance.]]>Dec 11th 2009 12:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
side note: bender you sir are an idiot!]]>Dec 11th 2009 4:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
But that's not what the real world is like. A quad-core is only going to be more useful than a dual-core if the software takes advantage of it, I'll agree it's more future-proof but that doesn't mean it's currently the best choice. In a desktop sure, but in a laptop where heat and staying-power are the prioritise (it's supposed to be portable, not plugged in all the time!) then I'll agree that dual-core are the better option until we get chips that suck less power and generate less heat.]]>Dec 11th 2009 6:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
You realize that the extra battery that you can buy (and just clip onto the bottom of the laptop) makes the battery last about 2.5x longer, right?]]>Jan 3rd 2010 1:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Jan 4th 2010 4:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
Yeah, aside from the design on the top and that pesky break so you can remove the battery, it looks just like it.

Personally, I realize aesthetics are far from absolutes, and I recognize many laptops as being superior in design to the MBP, and realize other people think differently and have different opinions. But I'm not responsible for writing reviews that are presumably supposed to be unbiased, so what do I know?]]>Dec 10th 2009 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
"think differently"

I see what you did thar...]]>Dec 10th 2009 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/"Yeah, aside from the design on the top and that pesky break so you can remove the battery, it looks just like it."

You purposefully misinterpreted what "equals the MacBook Pro's unibody design" means, but I'm still interested in what other laptops out there come anywhere near the current MBPs in aesthetics, let alone surpass them.]]>Dec 11th 2009 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
No, I didn't confuse it at all. I was poking fun at some of the faults of the MBP, and pointing out the reason the reviewer thought it compared aesthetically is because it looks nearly identical to it. Had it come from a no-name in China, they probably would have slapped a KIRF label on it.

As for the answer to your question, I would say the most recent series of Asus gaming laptops are some of my favorites. The Dell Studio XPS laptops are pretty slick too. HP has some AMD Neo low cost thin computers that are black with chrome edges that look pretty slick, too. I've seen a lot of other laptops I like better, I just don't keep track of models.

Now you may be appalled by the laptops I claim are aesthetically superior to the MBP, but apparently you stopped reading my post halfway through and missed this key part: "..and realize other people think differently and have different opinions." I seriously like those laptops I mentioned better than the MBP. And I know others think they are plastic abominations. My point is, aesthetics are not universal, and people reviewing laptops should keep that in mind and check their bias at the door.]]>Dec 16th 2009 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
What does worry me is how the overheating could shorten the lift of the harddrive, something I experience after owning a gateway with poor ventilation and replacing the HD 2 times.

Here's to hoping an Envy 15 rev. 2 will solve their cooling / power problems!]]>Dec 10th 2009 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
Strange I also have a 9300... and my hard drive has held up perfectly over the past 5 (is it 6 now?) years. The thing has taken quite a licking and just keeps on ticking. I use it everyday pretty much all the time too, banging it into walls while moving it (it was rather LARGE afterall) and not a problem at all. Currently dual-booting XP and win 7.

The batteries and chargers on the otherhand are a different story. The batteries don't last 5 minutes so it's basically a portable desktop. And i've had to buy 2 new chargers because they eventually don't report to the computer correctly and give an error saying that the computer will run with a lower processor speed. Very annoying.

That being said, it still runs fast and smooth, great computer.]]>Dec 11th 2009 5:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
I was just shuddering from an old Gateway laptop I had before the 9300, which overheated very often (leaving it on my bed would cause it to shut down due to overheating).

I was seriously considering the envy, the price doesn't annoy me nearly as much as the heating/cooling issues it supposedly has. That, and some bios issues I've heard about that prevents it from supporting acpi in linux]]>Dec 11th 2009 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 11th 2009 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/They sell this with an anti-reflective coating]]>Dec 11th 2009 6:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 11th 2009 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/]]>Dec 10th 2009 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/why do we need to compare almost everything we see to them?
they do crappy things]]>Dec 10th 2009 6:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 6:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
The innards of an HP Envy is a Core i7 and a ATI Mobility Radeon 4850. I think it makes more sense comparing this thing's battery life to something like an Alienware M15x or low-end M17x.

It just doesn't make sense comparing the battery life of a Core 2 Duo, Geforce 9600M GT equivalent notebook to a Core i7, Radeon 4850 or GeForce 9800M GTX equivalent.]]>Dec 10th 2009 8:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
My Thinkpad W500 with a 9-cell battery gets about 5-1/2 hours with the brightness at 2 notches below the top and WiFi enabled on the integrated graphics. If I disable CPU throttling (full 2.4GHz all the time), enable the ATI discrete graphics with powerplay disabled, turn the brightness to max and use WiFi and Bluetooth that goes down to a little over 3.

If I actually attempt to save power I can easily make it past 7 hours.]]>Dec 11th 2009 12:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Forgot to mention that I have the CPU undervolted with the RightMark CPU clock utility. The performance is the same, it just uses less power. My power gradient on the P8600 CPU is .875v to .95v.

At normal power savings with the integrated graphics enabled the fan will often turn completely off. It's simply not needed.]]>Dec 11th 2009 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
Stop comparing higher end components with lower end lower power draw cpus. There is NO OTHER core i7 machine in as small a form factor, that means with the stock battery, more heat, and lower battery life.

The heat is a legitimate concern, NOT the battery. Think clearly people.]]>Dec 11th 2009 5:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Every laptop manufacturer that makes business class notebooks have machines that can easily break the 5 hour mark.]]>Dec 11th 2009 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Seconded.]]>Dec 10th 2009 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/Dec 10th 2009 6:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/
$1800 is way expensive, but I guess that's the i7 tax. Loving the HD graphics, screen res, and the media/gaming playback. I also heard that some units ship with an external drive. I'm still not so sure.

I'll have to do some deciding between this and the Studio 15 i7 because the Studio's battery life is longer, but of course it's running the 4570. Also, the Studio spec'd to my liking is $1300. I'm certainly heading to BB to get a further analysis.

Good review Jo.]]>Dec 10th 2009 6:02PM