http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 5:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Lol, I was thinking the same thing.]]>Dec 12th 2009 6:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/I agree with that statement.
I also notice a lot of Americans pronounce turbine as turban or turbin so on an American blog that is how I read it in my head. I'm sorry in advance :) ]]>Dec 12th 2009 6:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
GO SEPTA!]]>Dec 12th 2009 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
GO SEPTA!]]>Dec 12th 2009 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
How's that smart card project holding out?

]]>Dec 12th 2009 3:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Septa? Your joking right? You mean the same transit authority that doesn't know how to operate commuter trains? An organization that is either too poor, lazy, stupid, or just plain corrupt to actually build train stations for their commuter stops? Those guys? Yeah, they're real innovators alright...

I my experience the Port Authority of Pittsburgh has their shit together way better than IN-EPTA, and that is saying something because they are full of idiots too (their bus routes and schedules are atrocious).

Maybe SEPTIC system should use some of that magic green money they used to buy their $600,000 buses and repair their commuter train system?]]>Dec 12th 2009 4:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/I'm an American. "Turban/in" sounds weird to me. I say it like .... así como se dice "bind," but without the D obviously.

@SEPTA fanboi
SEPTA makes me think of septic. That's not a good association.

]]>Dec 12th 2009 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/A SEPTA fanboy? Now I've heard and seen it all. I'm not sure if you are actually talking about the same SEPTA, or if you are saying these things to be poignant, but they are simply wrong.

No MTA rail equipment has been purchased used from SEPTIC. The MTA purchases new equipment, and the M7's certainly are MUCH newer than the last Silverliners to roll out of the factory. If anything, remember that INEPTA has purchased USED Comet I trainsets from NJT, which are 20+ years old.]]>Dec 13th 2009 11:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
however: what magical force drives the spinning turbine?]]>Dec 12th 2009 6:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 6:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 6:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
"Turbine engine" and :quiet as a tomb" usually never appear in the same sentence. Also gas turbines aren't generally considered an environmentally friendly solution.

Apparently, that is changing. The bus uses a Capstone Microturbine, which is a 30 kW gas turbine generator to charge the batteries. Since it is running as an electric generator, it is able to run at a constant, "fuel efficient" speed. Not sure how they manage to make it quiet.

This article (and the NYT) article are very poorly written, and it seems like NYT must not have anybody on staff with anything but humanities degrees.

I like the "They're also environmentally friendly, omitting internal combustion altogether and relying on spinning turbines". Yeah, external combustion engines (ie gas turbines) are so much more green then internal combustion engine. They both are diesel engines, you numbskulls.

When was the last time you looked at a 747 and said "wow, that is green technology"?]]>Dec 12th 2009 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
Regardless, the NYT and Engadget articles both make it sound like this bus operates on environmentally friendly green magic pixie dust instead of diesel.

I wonder how this diesel powered bus can put out less fumes then then the rest of their older conventionally diesel powered buses.

I wonder if the people doing the "green" PR snowstorm of the trusting NYC population have any investment in capstone?]]>Dec 12th 2009 8:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
Because it burns less of it. As a hybrid, it recovers energy from (the obviously frequent) braking. In addition, since the turbine operates at a constant speed simply to maintain charge on the battery, it can be smaller (no need to size it to handle infrequent peak horsepower draw) and can be optimized for operation at a constant speed.]]>Dec 12th 2009 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
The MTA has had CNG (compressed natural gas) buses running on the streets for *years* and I would believe that they would design the turbine to burn same.]]>Dec 12th 2009 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
Yeah, that's one nice thing about gas turbines, configured correctly they can burn anything from alcohol to whale oil.]]>Dec 12th 2009 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
Those whales have been getting a free ride for way too long.]]>Dec 12th 2009 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
That's right. If Futurama showed us anything, it's that our future is whale oil. ]]>Dec 12th 2009 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 13th 2009 12:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Jan 1st 2010 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/]]>Dec 12th 2009 6:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
It's from the NYT. Did you expect accuracy? ]]>Dec 12th 2009 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
Which Philadelphia do you live in, because it's certainly not the one I live in.]]>Dec 13th 2009 12:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 13th 2009 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_XJLTcetE]]>Dec 13th 2009 2:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
" ... this buses has turbine engines that replaces the old internal combustion engine."

A gas turbine engine (also called a turboshaft engine) is a type of internal combustion engine. The fuel is burned inside the engine. An example of a non-internal combustion engine is a steam turbine where the fuel is burned in a boiler generating steam which is transported via pipes to the separate turbine.

Most gas turbines have "engine oil" to lubricate bearings and carry engine heat to oil coolers. Gas turbines also have starters.]]>Dec 13th 2009 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_XJLTcetE]]>Dec 13th 2009 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 7:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 8:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
they do that exactly here in NYC ]]>Dec 12th 2009 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
That is what happens when greedy corrupt government gets involved with greedy labor unions.

Wake up people, there is no such thing as man made global warming. Government just wasting more of your money so they can then turn around and tax you more for the ride.]]>Dec 12th 2009 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/"Wake up people, there is no such thing as man made global warming. Government just wasting more of your money so they can then turn around and tax you more for the ride."

Umm, well, the science behind the green house effect is clear. CO2 radiation absorption bands are well documented. The earth radiates energy on average in lower frequencies(infrared, etc} than incident solar radiation(visible, ultraviolet). Human activity has significantly increased CO2 percentages ( fossil fuels obviously produce CO2 while amounts can be estimated simply by amount of each type sold). I suppose you could make the argument than airborne particulate emission has offset this somewhat, but by exactly 100% is very unlikely. Those particulates have a lower airborne life span than gaseous GHGs.

Anyways, it seems your evidence supporting your claim in the previous comment of no man made global warming is something about the government and labor unions rather than science. This leads me to believe that your basis for not supporting this theory is simply political in nature (i.e. the political ramifications if anthropogenic global warming did exist). ]]>Dec 12th 2009 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
Not quite, most of the CO2 levels can not be measured nor controlled due to the fact that a tool doesn't even exist to measure it. Everything is based on estimates that aren't true, so the government literally could make up whatever number they want for CO2 concentration. Also, few people know that most of the CO2 comes mostly from the ocean, not cars. Even if all of China and the United States ceased all motor activity to a halt for one day, CO2 levels wouldn't change. If you lock yourself in a closed garage with the car motor running, you won't die from the CO2 levels from the exhaust, but rather from the carbon monoxide, which is nothing like CO2.]]>Dec 12th 2009 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-measurements-uncertainty.htm]]>Dec 12th 2009 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
Also, global warming has nothing to do with CO2 toxicity.

As for measuring it, OCO would've greatly helped that. Luckily, OCO is going to be rebuilt and relaunched.]]>Dec 13th 2009 5:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
Denver too, a couple years at least. ]]>Dec 12th 2009 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Seattle too, since 2004 with the New Flyer DE60LFs]]>Dec 12th 2009 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
lol i was going to say the exact same thing, although in Wellington we have 65 trolley/electric buses.]]>Dec 12th 2009 8:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 7:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
Considering in Car Dominated Los Angeles, we have an entire fleet of CNG buses and Capstone is a local company (Chatsworth) and I have talked to those guys several times. You can run this turbine on ANYTHING, easily making it run on mostly clean but more importantly renewable fuel.

Bus Fare is $1.25. Not sure how much it is in New York considering you have a vast Subway Network, my guess is people really don't use the bus. But I would welcome a quiet bus as diesel CNG powered buses are quiet noisy and a mostly electric bus would be scary quiet, do we have to employ tactics to keep the few million blind people from getting ran over???

]]>Dec 13th 2009 1:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/Dec 12th 2009 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/12/designline-turbine-hybrid-buses-take-off-in-nyc-could-multiply/
PS. Happy End of the World."]]>Dec 12th 2009 8:33AM