http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/ Engadget Comments for Boeing's 787 Dreamliner takes flight for the first time http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
AirBus may have their floating airfortress (perhaps they are moving in a Final Fantasy direction), but the smaller, more fuel efficient jets that can fly further is a win. They are having trouble with production, but it looks like they are figuring it out.

These jets will likely be a new standard in air travel.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Can we ban those Airbus Marketing Dept?]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Hub and spoke is the airline model buddy. So Airbus can sell 100 A380s while Boeing sells 1000 Dreamliners...are they still losing?]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Yawn Boeing (USA) against Airbus (Europe) we're allies remember ?]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Dudes and Dudats... Please! Airbus won by delivering the A380 first, that's a fact. Both companies have had their strings of production problems leading to delays after delays. That's also a fact. Who is going to win the race, we know not. In fact they may very well complement each other.

A380 is design to be a hub to hub carrier, whereas the 787 is design more for medium to long range travel. You will not see an A380 flying intra-continental, but you will likely see both planes flying the international routes.

However, seeing how someone has mentioned 787 being fuel-efficient, I have to say that depends on the engines and other options they select.

A huge bulk of the buy actually comes from the middle-east... so we can all see the request for delay in deliveries to these customers.]]>Dec 15th 2009 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
!!!YAY For The Majestic Titanic Of The Sky!!!

Happy now?]]>Dec 15th 2009 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Shut up, idiot. You hear about more Boeing crashes because there are far more Boeing planes in the air than Airbus, so no fucking shit you idiot.

@Darkmax

Boeing already has more firm orders than the A380 has optional, firm, and already delivered combined. DURR I WONDER WHO WILL WIN?]]>Dec 15th 2009 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Agreed, but I'm disappointed there haven't been any steps taken to produce a new supersonic jet. The technology is certainly there, but I don't think any company wants to risk it in this economy. I think if it's perfected (by todays standards it certainly can be) then there's a lot of money to be had, as well as a new benchmark for airline travel. I'm hoping to see a return to elegance and comfort that airline travel once was, and the Dreamliner is a leap in that direction.]]>Dec 15th 2009 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Because supercruise is not avaliable for airliners yet. Supersonic speeds guzzle fuel. The Concorde was more of a novelty, and with the increase in telecommuting abilities, it is less necessary to need to travel across the pond in an hour or two.]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
no buddy, the a380 hasnt broken even yet, they only have 200 odd orders, they are losing money on the project. 787 has 800 odd orders, they have already made money on it, and you cant compare the a380 with the 787, they play entirely different roles in the airline industry. ]]>Dec 16th 2009 8:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
The AIRBUS A380 has one fundamental design flaw: It's too big to land at most US airports, the runways and taxiways just cannot support them. There number of ports that can handle such large planes are about a dozen. ]]>Dec 18th 2009 3:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
They won't get that far by 2012]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Considering that it's developmental code name was "7E7" I think that hexadecimal could be a real possibility...]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Perhaps not daily, but surely weekly (A400M):

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hSuWPwN_uBADCW6WOZ3MF0b4wJ7wD9CH2BHO0]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
np. though funny that its been upranked! :)]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
That's completely untrue.]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/The a400m is a completely new aircraft -- perhaps you're confusing the a400m with the model number a300.]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Not to mention Delta might not even be taking delivery on the orders they inherited. The first batch off the assembly are going to end up overweight and therefore have their range cut. They're likely to defer the orders until later when they can get them on model, and possiblhy take some more 777s in the meantime.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Care to back up your claims with real data?

Thanks.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/I prefer people who shut their mouths when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. ]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
It's actually true, but has a lot more to due with how terrible the first 747/737's were built. All modern planes are safe, and none is safer then others. ]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
To be fair, comparing per flight isn't necessarily a good metric. An A340, for example, will have fewer "flights" than a 737 because the A340 is used mostly on long-distance flights (compared to the 737 which is mostly shorter flights).

Note that your data does not appear to include the A340, A380 or the 777, none of which have had a passenger fatality.

Additionally, the A320 statistic seems sketchy since there are over 4000 A320s in service; with an average of 3 flights a day (conservative for an aircraft like the A320) that results in 4.3M flights per year. The A320 has been in service since 1988, so it's very hard to believe that there are only 6M flights total.

Even a doubling of the number of A320 flights would make Airbus appear to be safer than Boeing, but then you consider the fact that the Boeing statistics include much older designs (e.g. the 727 from the 1970s is much less safe than any of today's passenger aircraft).

You are probably statistically safer flying on a 737NG (-700/-800/-900) or an A320 compared with a 737-300 or MD80, simply because newer aircraft have better avionics and have the benefit of newer, safer design elements. But the difference is not substantial; your chances of being killed on any passenger aircraft in the US are damn near zero (approximately 1 in 50 million).]]>Dec 15th 2009 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Stuff like that is picked by the carriers, and has nothing to do with the plane.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://bit.ly/6V8nd9]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Looks nice but unfortunately having only side-mounted luggage bins will only work for the low-density seat configurations you'd find in upper class cabins. Coach class cabins will require center-mounted luggage bins as well, (like you'd find in most planes,) which destroys that cavernous feeling that the picture evokes.]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
lmao I'd feel like such a weirdo sitting in that single seat.]]>Dec 15th 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
I disagree. In the photo you can see the economy class cabin with the center aisle overhead cabins. still looks sweetly cavernous to me!]]>Dec 15th 2009 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Care to cite a reference for the Chinese-made parts? While many of the parts are made in Japan (and Italy, and France), a considerable amount are made here in the US. The innovative materials and structures in this plane mean that only a few places in the world are even capable of building some of the parts.

Regardless, my initial point is still completely valid. Boeing is a huge company with many other interests, but a large portion of their future success is riding on the 787. If it fails, it would be a huge, huge mess and would directly affect a lot of American factory workers and engineers.]]>Dec 15th 2009 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
The rudders are contracted out to China.]]>Dec 15th 2009 6:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/Dec 15th 2009 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/boeings-787-dreamliner-takes-flight-for-the-first-time/
Congratulations boeing.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:34PM