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I expect managing to save HD-video fast enough is a bit of a more pressing problem than stills.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
Then there's this nonsense:
"The BCM2763 mobile phone chip supports full 1080p video recording and playback, as well as 20 megapixel stills".

That means one of two things are happening:

1. The image is being pointlessly blown up to 20 megapixels from something way smaller.

2. It's really a 20-megapixel chip and they're only using a tiny portion of it for the 1080 video. This is a very bad idea on any camera, because the higher the resolution, the tinier the photosites on the chip and the higher the noise. Instead of maximizing the size of the photosites (and the video quality) by making the chip only 1920x1080, they're packing 20 MP on there and destroying the quality with noise.

We need CLEAN images, not megapixels. Four clean megapixels would be a huge advance in cell-phone cameras. Hell, TWO clean megapixels would be.]]>Dec 15th 2009 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
This has nothing to do with the sensor quality.
Sensor will be a separate component developed by someone else. If some one wanted to build a camera around this chip, they could bundle two sensors, one for 1080p video and the other for 20MP still images.]]>Dec 17th 2009 3:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 1:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
I agree, but when can i has naow?!! ]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 1:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp?width=3888&height=2592

Works great, and handy for video bitrate calculations as well!]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
So 1080p is only 2 megapixels]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
I swear, if I hear "it does 1080p" one more goddamn time without the mention of a bit-rate, I'm going to go crazy. Nobody gives half a shit if your camera does 1920x1080 at 1Mbps! It still looks like garbage.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 17th 2009 3:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
I'm all for it, I just hope the quality is good since we won't be seeing phones with chip till 2011.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
And what's with this megapixel pissing contest in camera phones? It seems that the focus should be on improving the quality of the sensors, making zoom and autofocus mainstream, incorporating a flash, and more importantly improving the software algorithms driving the hardware. A 5-megapixel cameraphone is nothing like a 5-megapixel camera, even a point and shoot. The Flip Video camcorders are a perfect example; the hardware is pretty cheap stuff, but their software algorithms allowed it to produce much better video than the componentry would have suggested. I understand that's video vs still image, but I think some of the lessons carry over.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
Broadcom just makes the chip for phone manufacturers and gives them some theoretical possibilities to work with, it's not Broadcom's problem if the final results are bad. For all we know some other company might be working on a (currently unimaginable) way of taking decent 20MP images with cellphone-sized cameras, if that happened it would be great to have a chip that can do the necessary processing already available.]]>Dec 15th 2009 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
Also what about battery life?]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
As I said in my earlier post, while the article does give some general battery life figures (16 hours of playback through HDMI), actual performance will depend a lot more on the many other variables involved in whatever devices incorporate this chip.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
The sensor will be small enough to fit in a phone, so it will suck by definition.

Bigger = better.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/...and yes, I know that this article is not about the sensor technology...it's just as good a place as any for a rant.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
Have you checked out the Samsung Instinct HD phone? Google for some of the video reviews. That phone has the previous generation Broadcom chip in it, the BCM2727. ]]>Dec 18th 2009 6:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
We need to get off these silly numbers and start caring about quality.]]>Dec 15th 2009 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
-Brian]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/
and 1080p or similar levels is needed as users start to push content from their home device to the cellphone and back again without compression. This will take a long time, needs better storage, but the processors are usually announced 12-24 months prior to a new device hitting the market,.]]>Dec 15th 2009 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/broadcom-announces-1080p-camera-phone-chip-single-chip-blu-ray/Dec 15th 2009 3:21PM