http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/ Engadget Comments for Verizon begins internal webOS training http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
I hope this helps some people:

What's really UNEXPECTED is Verizon's surprise add-on pricing for Android, WinMo, and now Palm Phones (unless you dig for, and read, the very very small contract fine print).

To activate these phones, you must ADD a $29.99 "data feature" PER phone, on top of the plan pricing.

If you have a 2-line Family Plan, that's an additional $59.98 for 2 phones! Yikes! (per Verizon, these phones have a lot of features).

To top it off, Verizon has disabled VCast and VZ Navigator on Android phones! More money, Less features.

Also, corporate discounts only apply to the primary line - Ouch!

This is all very unlike what Sprint provides their customers.]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Verizon is by far going to have the best line-up in smart phones in the best Network in the U.S.. Them getting the Pre, Pixi, plus a maybe a new WebOS device very impressive. Add the HTC Passion/Dragon and they will have no competition + The iPhone? ]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/"To top it off, Verizon has disabled VCast and VZ Navigator on Android phones! More money, Less features."

...Why would I want that crap on my Droid when I have the perfectly fine Google Maps Naviagation and thousands of other apps that can do... whatever the hell crap VCast can do?]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
Think about what you just said and answer this:

Why would you want to PAY Verizon MORE money and yet be DENIED access to useful features available on lesser phones?

Answer: Doing so, only makes more money for Verizon and you clearly lack any real-time experience with VCast or VZ Navigation.

It's a surprise and loss that Verizon has chosen to disable these features for the premiere Android, and perhaps, Palm Smart phones.

Experts acknowledge that paid apps are, often times, more thorough and useful than free apps.

That said, I can also attest to the fact that Sprint Navigation features, accuracy, and usability on both an Android and WinMo phone is easily on par a Garmin GPS dedicated device....and it's included as part of the Plan with no extra fee.
]]>Dec 16th 2009 6:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 6:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
What's unexpected is how the Verizon Reps/Moles are trying to hide any posts which easily explain, and exploit, their surprise pricing and feature structure on Android, Blackberry, WinMo, and Pre phones and how Corporate Discounts are actually applied.

e.g.:
I hope this helps some people:

What's really UNEXPECTED is Verizon's surprise add-on pricing for Android, WinMo, and now Palm Phones (unless you dig for, and read, the very very small contract fine print).

To activate these phones, you must ADD a $29.99 "data feature" PER phone, on top of the regular plan pricing.

If you have a 2-line Family Plan, that's an ADDITIONAL $59.98 to the regular plan price! Yikes!
(per Verizon, these phones have a lot of "features" and are always on).

To top it off, Verizon has disabled VCast and VZ Navigator on Android phones!
More MONEY for Verizon, Less CHOICE and features for the customer.

Also, corporate discounts ONLY apply to the prorated primary line - Ouch!

This is all very unlike what Sprint provides their customers.]]>Dec 16th 2009 6:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
I never thought I'd see anyone complain about the removal of VCast and VZNavigator. I've found them to be completely worthless.

"Doing so, only makes more money for Verizon"
I'm no economist so I'm just guessing here, but I think that including Google's free apps instead of Verizon's pay-to-use crapware actually translates to a loss of money for Verizon.]]>Dec 16th 2009 6:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
Consider this:

Charging Android, Blackberry, WinMo, and Palm customers a $29.99 "Data Feature" surcharge, while denying Android customers the choice of services, equals more income for Verizon and less choice/services for the consumer.

If you have an Android on Verizon, you can't even compare and make your own decision....it's been decided for you by Verizon.

Sprint give you the choice, Verizon doesn't.

All of which, is a indisputable fact.

Regarding the Verizon Navigation, it is known that it is not on par to Sprint's Navigation by Telestar.

Having a Sprint Touch Pro 2 and a Sprint Hero, I know from experience that the Sprint Navigation by Telestar works very well and is an essential and very useful app.]]>Dec 16th 2009 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 8:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 9:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 17th 2009 1:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
/love my pre
//can run more than two programs at once
///suck it iCant]]>Dec 16th 2009 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Palm troll fail.
Why cant everyone use whatever device suits them and STFU?]]>Dec 16th 2009 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/man, give me a break with the multitasking issue on the iPhone. Every single post about a different OS than Apple's gets this stupid comment.

If you really need multitasking then dont buy it, or better yet just install Backgrounder app after jailbreak. It's very easy and it works great.

And i know you'll bitch about the jailbreaking part, but on every single mobile platform people who install modified software or homebrew apps get the most of their devices. It's no different than installing a cooked ROM for WinMo or Android in order to make it run better.]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
Accessing homebrew on webOS is not only allowed, but Palm has actually encouraged it.

To get a simple feature, and be asked to jailbreak? Ah, naw?]]>Dec 16th 2009 7:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Apple troll fail.
Verizon's contract lengths only last for two years.
Do your homework next time you fail at trolling..]]>Dec 16th 2009 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Your last name wouldn't happen to be Jobs, would it?]]>Dec 16th 2009 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
"A iPhone OS"

as if you didn't already sound stupid enough :-)]]>Dec 16th 2009 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
Methinks you missed the point of his post entirely.]]>Dec 16th 2009 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
Every carrier offers 2-year contract lock-ins. I don't see the point of this comment.]]>Dec 16th 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
No - a monopoly would be if Verizon bought AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile and then charged you $1/kb of data.

Offering a wide selection of phones would just be referred to as "listening to the consumer" or "smart".]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Methinks i shouldn't have been downranked for that. But, thats just me.]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/When the DROID is here.... Quantity is not everything
but I prefer my 20,000+ apps over the 4 that palm
thinks people want...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/android-market-hits-20-000-apps-over-60-percent-free/

]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Why not have both. People can have variety in not just apps but also in choice of devices. Droid is a nice phone for sure but there are those (like myself) who prefer WebOS over android so why not give customers the ability to choose for themselves?]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 5:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
No way! Palm just came out with the Pixi and the Pre is barely a year old. Just update to WebOS already.

I honestly doubt they'll unveil a new device since they just came out with the Pixi.]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
I would hope that inexpensive service (comparatively) and a fast data network would sell Sprint by itself, butt that's not as sexy. Plus, a Pixi lacking WiFi puts a check over to Verizon.

Hopefully Sprint will benefit from some upgrades Palm is going to throw out there and nothing is exclusive to any carrier.]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
hehe. butt...]]>Dec 16th 2009 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 6:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/
SENT FROM MY DROIDDROID]]>Dec 16th 2009 6:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 6:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 16th 2009 9:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/verizon-begins-internal-webos-training/Dec 17th 2009 12:31AM