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what is this magic??!]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Because thats not the screen where you enter the coding here you can test the application or add/modify the UI]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Can't wait to give it a try! I am one of the people Chris is talking about: great design ideas but no significant coding background (does Basic count? lol, jk).]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
I am just absolutely floored at how well it works. A full application development suite based in the browser. This is what people have been talking about when they gush over the possibilities of HTML5. Someone went and did it and it's Palm.]]>Dec 17th 2009 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/I'm shooting for game development for Android and iPhone using a solid game engine like Unity or Torque]]>Dec 17th 2009 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
It didnt work on iPhone, its not gonna work for palm.. because whatever gizmos you create for webos, are gonna be cross platform to any platform with a browser.. (at least the purported commercial apps.. ) and what this means for the end result is.. .. sadly.. Lowest Common Denominator status.. Commercial houses will not care that the webos SDK exists at all they will put the development behind stuff that will run in any browser OR into real apps for whatever platform management decides is "important/winning/etc" at that projects inception.

That platform will NEVER be webos.. because at its core its NOT a platform.. any more than "sidebar gadgets, yahoo/google desktop widgets, apple whatever they call the dashboard widgets etc..

And the quicker fanbois realize that the phone is a featurephone with a browser, and embrace the fact that they will never get real apps on it other than the ones palm pays heavily to get on the platform.. the quicker the company will fold/get sold/etc]]>Dec 18th 2009 1:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Haha you call the fanboy card yet you sound like you eat too many Apples youself.]]>Dec 18th 2009 3:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
And there aren't lame apps that flood any other app stores?]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Which is why Palm is going to start charging $50 to submit an app to the Catalog, to prevent idiots from posting up their fart apps that are never going to sell a single copy.]]>Dec 17th 2009 10:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
having a bunch of useless apps may be exactly what it needs to go against the whole 100k apps apple is marketing though...]]>Dec 17th 2009 11:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
If this is an avalanche, you live in Palm Springs.]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Getting ready for that onslaught of new developers that will be jumping on board when they port over to Verizon... No Doubt]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
That took wayyy too long. It would have been much more successful if they'd have released it right as WebOS came out.]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Late than never, better is.

-Yoda]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
FAIL! Yoda.

Force, surrender yours please.]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 5:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
As long as those apps you've been 'waiting for' are of high quality, your patience will be rewarded.

Remember Developers: Q.O.Q = Quality OVER Quantity]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
See, exactly my point. Put it this way, would you want to sleep with 100 rosie o donnels? Or one smart chick who'se a 10?]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Rosie O'Donnel is a smart chick, but shes like a size 16 at least.]]>Dec 17th 2009 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Why google doesnt look at this and jump off the BRIDGE!!!!!!!!!

I see this IDE tools and it makes me cry ... when I think of those xml-s in Android.

Respect PALM !!!]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Grrrrr]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
P.S. Plz dont put Palm and Google UI editors in same sentence...
It hurts ...]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
It'll make coordination between dev and design so much easier. ]]>Dec 17th 2009 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Why on earth did they develop two SDK's?

]]>Dec 17th 2009 6:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Code that is done in Ares still uses the exact same Mojo SDK, this just makes it much simpler to code.

My big issue with it is that it won't import existing applications. Basically, anyone who writes an application by hand is most likely going to use HTML for the layout. Ares does the layout in Javascript, and can't display HTML layouts. So basically if you want to use Ares, you have to start that application in Ares.

But otherwise, wow, I'm impressed. This makes development much easier for people who aren't as advanced at JS/HTML/CSS coding as others.

Experts writing advanced applications will probably still want to do things by hand for more control, but this makes things much simpler.]]>Dec 17th 2009 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Or maybe it's because the Pre probably still hasn't hit that 1M mark?]]>Dec 17th 2009 6:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Also, they announced today that they sold 784,000 phones the past quarter. Seeing as the pre has been out for 2 quarters, it's a safe bet to guess that the Pre has sold over 1 million. Palm just doesn't announce sales for specific handsets.]]>Dec 17th 2009 6:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
This is exactly the reason Palm deserves more praise, and why they shouldn't still be in debt, webOS is fantastic, and developer support is getting better and better.

I'm keeping my eye on you Palm, you may coax me away from Android yet ; )]]>Dec 17th 2009 6:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
Palm is done, this is just a last hurrah hoping to let the end users stuck on the platform for the next 2 years whip together some custom crapgadgets for themselves since NOONE in the real development space will be doing it.]]>Dec 18th 2009 1:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
They already have the Mojo SDK, which is how apps have been made up to now. So people who need those extra tools and space have something available to them.

This is innovative because it's easy for non-programmers to get started (something Android could really do with), and it's non platform specific as it runs in a web browser (so you don't need a Mac...ahem, iPhone). Palm have identified this as a good niche to get developers on board, and it's a brilliant idea.

Yes they need more apps and yes they need APIs for the GPU, but those are coming. WebOS is still a baby, where was Android when it first released? Give them time, Palm have something great on their hands and it only harms the consumer if they go under.

Instead of damning them why not try supporting them, is that really so hard?]]>Dec 18th 2009 5:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
And 280 North with Atlas have something every bit as impressive.]]>Dec 17th 2009 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 8:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 17th 2009 9:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
I hope you don't mind that if I do make anything. It's going to be a free app.]]>Dec 17th 2009 11:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/
My two cents, and I do think that more people should get into programming, so maybe this does offer a nice introduction for those designers who want to get their hands dirty with the guts of a machine.]]>Dec 18th 2009 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/17/palms-ares-sdk-goes-to-public-beta/Dec 18th 2009 8:08PM