http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/ Engadget Comments for Psystar still in business, or not in business, or... something http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Leave them alone! Please?]]>Dec 19th 2009 5:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/You should go suck an egg.
A Penguin Egg!]]>Dec 19th 2009 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/whats your number steve ma boi!]]>Dec 19th 2009 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 11:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 20th 2009 5:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Can't you just release OSX into the wild and let it be free?

I'll stop hacking itunes if you do.. honest...]]>Dec 20th 2009 6:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Well, worth a shot... ]]>Dec 20th 2009 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 5:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
I have to question if you are one of the 700(ish) people who actually bought from Psystar...seems unlikely

(You could still build your own)]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
They'd have been better off hiring Harvey Birdman.]]>Dec 19th 2009 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 7:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 6:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
"When your life, family, and business are at stake, I am what you need. I am more than an attorney, I am a personal service attorney."

Particularly funny to anyone from the UK who has seen the "this is not just food, this is M+S food" ads for Marks and Sparks.

What a joker.]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/so by personal service attorney..he mean that he will not only screw you in the wallet...he will screw you anywhere else too....for a fee]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
sounds like one of those late night commercials....]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 7:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/failing that just show up to the place with guns a blazin...

Anyone wlse want to copy us?

ahahh!]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Fix the spelling though (what's an awyer?)]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 6:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/If you've ever used any "PC"/"IBM Compatible" other than IBM then you've supported cloning companies just like Psystar.
A healthy Psystar would be bad for Apple, great for consumers.]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Besides, they'd have a competitive advantage on Mac clones since they're getting the operating system at cost, and know future features in advance of other vendors. The only thing that would change is the crazy Apple-tax markup fees they charge on their hardware.

But for consumers you get:
1) More hardware choices
2) Lower costs for clones and Apple hardware (since they'd have to lower their profit margins to be competitive)
3) Increased third party support since it would likely increase OSX adoption. =)]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/A healthy Psystar is only good for Apple haters like you, bad for consumers and the OSx86 project.]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 7:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 7:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
The OSX kernel was taken from BSD, the compiler taken from GCC, the authentication taken from Kerberos, encryption taken from OpenSSH, directory service is OpenLDAP, CUPS print spooler and Gimp-Print drivers, Apache webserver and so on.

Apple has made money off a lot of other people's code.

And I assume Psystar paid for a license of OSX for each machine sold, which if true, sounds like they are simply selling a service (putting together a machine for you and installing a working copy of OSX as a turn key solution). If not, well then that's no different from selling Windows with illegal unpaid for copies of the OS.]]>Dec 19th 2009 7:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Thank you!

The bias in this article is just unbelievable.]]>Dec 19th 2009 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Perhaps you haven't noticed that IBM is nowhere to be seen in the PC market. They're totally dead and they don't do cool software or hardware. So why the hell would Apple want that? Apple already had a clone program and they killed it. ]]>Dec 19th 2009 9:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Absolutely nothing could have been better from a consumer standpoint though.

It caused fierce competition to excel and standout and keep prices down, which has continued on to what then became the Wintel marketplace, which even Macs of today are based on (there is no more different hardware wise between a Macbook and a Vaio than there is between the Vaio and a Thinkpad.

Competition improves the breed, and likewise Microsoft could really use some direct competition as an operating system, which Psystar was helping make happen.]]>Dec 19th 2009 9:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Psystar was offering a service of assembling computers from parts and AFAIK installing a purchased legal copy of OSX on them for customers, so they don't have to. Its a turn-key solution, as not everyone has the skills to make their own hakintosh.

The legal beef with this is that they were installing OSX on non Apple-branded computers, and the modification required to OSX to make this possible is protected by the DMCA.

This is not only bad for consumers from a practical standpoint, but for the precedent that it sets beyond Apple and Psystar. You're short sighted or a blinded Apple loyalist if you can't see this.]]>Dec 19th 2009 10:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Psystar ripped their code off OSx86 hackers and sold it as Rebel EFI, contrary to the wishes -- and, in some cases, the license agreements -- of the various coders involved.

It's not a subtle difference, my man.]]>Dec 20th 2009 12:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 20th 2009 12:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 20th 2009 12:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Call me and we'll talk about your case. You will be glad you did. Sure I went to Harvard but I am a down-to-earth, friendly guy (friendly with Clients, an aggressive defense), that really likes to help people. My Fresno number is (559) 283-9772 and my Oakhurst number is (559) 642-2761."

and

"I Graduated from Harvard Law School in Cambridge Massachusetts. If you have not heard of Harvard Law school, welcome to planet earth and enjoy your visit."

seem to be at odds with each other. Well, at least they didn't get Barry Zuckercorn or Bob Loblaw. Now THAT would have been disastrous. ]]>Dec 20th 2009 3:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/They were trying to build a business on hardware cloning and reselling paid for copies of OSX (Right of First Sale, in the US). It only became copyright infringement because a court said a technicality made it so.
As for stealing code; that's something they didn't do.
]]>Dec 20th 2009 5:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Boo hoo. I said something that wasn't in support of Apple so I'm an Apple hater? On the contrary, I'd like to see Apple thrive, but alongside and in competition with Psystar.
Not sure how you see a tiny company with around 10 employees as "greedy".
A healthy Psystar would be great for consumers. Competition always is, in all markets. You ever bought a computer without an Apple or IBM/Lenovo label?]]>Dec 20th 2009 5:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Lenovo.
Of course Apple doesn't like Psystar, and who can blame them? They are a business, and less competition means higher profits. If I were Apple I would try to crush Psystar like a bug too. But I'm not Apple, I'm a consumer, so I'd love to see a healthy Pystar competing with Apple.]]>Dec 20th 2009 5:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Actually, Psystar paid for every copy of OSX that it used/made.
Ruling that those copies (each and every one paid for) infringed copyright because they were physically copied from a single master copy is ridiculous.
So they stole nothing, they paid for everything they used.
If Psystar sells it cheaper, Apple will sell it cheaper. It will reduce their already very healthy profit margin. It certainly wouldn't kill them.
The precedent is already set. Ever used a non-Apple machine with any label other than IBM/Lenovo? Then you've used machines from cloning companies just like Psystar. Only difference in the result came from the fact that Psystar had to contend with the fact that Apple used their own OS.]]>Dec 20th 2009 5:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
That said, Psystar's first sale arguments were completely rejected. Apple's major claim was copyright infringement per se, and it won going away. You are simply not allowed to take a copyrighted work, modify it, and re-sell it without authorization, and that's never been in question. I've provided pdfs of each and every one of these judgments over the past several posts, they're fascinating reading if you're this interested in the topic.]]>Dec 20th 2009 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 20th 2009 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 20th 2009 11:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 6:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/
Who really cares if those fines stick; Psystar is a corporation whose liabilities don't extend to their founders/employees. Your investors already know the end is near and they're not getting their money back.]]>Dec 19th 2009 6:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Exactly. You can say what you want about Psystar, but they do have style. I actually think they knew about the hole in the law from the start and just wanted to see how far they could get with taking on Apple.
That they hired a comedy firm only to stretch the whole thing only makes me love them more.

They came, they saw and they kicked up a hell of a lot of dust.

*Now where can I get my t-shirt with their logo.

(On a side note: Long time Apple user, no fanboy of any sort)]]>Dec 19th 2009 7:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 6:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/19/psystar-still-in-business-or-not-in-business-or-something/Dec 19th 2009 7:00PM