http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/ Engadget Comments for NVIDIA Fermi pushed back to March, ATI prepping midrange refresh for early Q1? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 7:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 7:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 7:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/aren't they too busy with lawsuits with intel?]]>Dec 28th 2009 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
Nvidia is spending too much of it's internal resources on developing x86 CPU's and chipsets. That is why they are so late. Nvidia needs to focus more on their core business - GPU's. ]]>Dec 28th 2009 9:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Wouldn't that be 'Nvidia is so fucked', since Nvidia is a single company? That is unless you were going for 'All your fucked are belong to Nvidia', which then it kinda works. However the general idea certainly holds true. Nvidia's latest silicon salvo in the GPU race is going to be a bit more than a bit fashionably late and the 200 series is looking pretty dated.]]>Dec 28th 2009 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
Depends on which brand of english you speak. ]]>Dec 28th 2009 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
]]>Feb 24th 2010 6:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 7:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 7:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Nvidia 3dvision is amazing ;)) but how long will it be untill ATI releases their own 3d tech?]]>Dec 28th 2009 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/We can only hope that such changes, that nvidia claims is the future of the company, won't overshadow the pure gfx improvement we are all hoping for.]]>Dec 28th 2009 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/]]>Dec 28th 2009 7:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 7:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
ATI has OpenGL 3.2 support on both Windows and Linux, on Catalyst 9.12. ]]>Dec 28th 2009 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/And ATI's OpenGL is notoriously slow compared to nvidia, and even ATI basically admits that by saying they 'assign coders on basis of number of users and importance' when people complain.

And OpenGL is still in many ways superior to DX, no matter how much MS pushes and pays to claim otherwise, but go ahead deny it if you ran out of pills and need to.
]]>Dec 28th 2009 8:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
ATI OpenGL is notoriously slow compred to Nvidia's implementation, even though HD4xxx series bet the hell outa Nvidia cards in ET:QW. (Acording to Anandtech)

Their implementation has steadily improved over time, you must realize that most the complains agaisnt ATI in OpenGL come from the fact that almost everyone uses Cg (Made by Nvidia) instead of pure GLSL. This is specially notorious on the OSS grounds.(Check Pseudoform game...).But ATI perfomance is OK in OpenGL, could be better, but Nvidia's performance could too.

Also, guess who has the only Tesellation extension for OpenGL? Yes, AMD. ]]>Dec 28th 2009 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
Everyone would like to have their application running in many OSes as possible. Not Microsoft, of course.]]>Dec 28th 2009 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/But yes ATI certainly has some good GPU's and AMD/ATI does introduce some interesting and useful new stuff, which unfortunately get underused and is suffering under poor efforts from the driver team, who frequently fix issues only to unfix them again, they lack strong leadership or something, and they lack coherenc and internal communication.
But the same is true of nvidia, I recall that the 'leaked' beta drivers from nvidia were the relatively stable ones and the WHQL were not at all, weird stuff.
]]>Dec 28th 2009 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
This is bad, nvidia can't rehash the same chips forever, and they can't blame TSMC for manufacturing delays either, since ATI are already putting products out on the market.]]>Dec 28th 2009 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/The wide scale 8400/8600 failures, proprietary technologies like PhysX and CUDA, renaming old cards constantly (8800 to 9800 to GTS250 and now G210 to G310) etc.

This year alone a 7600 LE, 8400 GS and 9400M have failed in this house.

Fuck Nvidia *goes back to playing DIRT 2 in beautiful DX11 with a 5850*]]>Dec 28th 2009 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
Karma is right. They still refuse to release names of known faulty laptop GPUs to protect the manufacturers. I have lost 2 bricked laptops with defective Nvidia GPUs in the last year worth over $3,000. Their corporate culture will sink them eventually.]]>Dec 28th 2009 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/512 (or 448) GPU cores with concurrent kernel execution and 10x faster thread switching, this is something like having 2x295 cards - 1 card for graphics 1 for dedicated physx. Of course in case that physx is used in game. If not, well then is something like faster then 2x295 for graphics only.

That's in short and simple words for you graphic power hungry gaming boys. Indeed you are interesting with all your angry comments. :)

CIAO!]]>Dec 28th 2009 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Power hungry is right... you are going to need a damn thermonuclear reactor to actually power one of these boards.]]>Dec 28th 2009 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
All with 1.7% yields]]>Dec 28th 2009 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
Remember developers are in an exodus, moving away from proprietary standards like CUDA and PhysX. Only corporations of bloatware (Adobe, Autodesk, etc) are still using proprietary APIs and SDKs to build their software.

Once OpenCL and OpenGL matures, nobody needs Cg or CUDA.]]>Dec 28th 2009 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
Decisions decisions.]]>Dec 28th 2009 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
Exactly in the same boat here. I just received my i7 and my motherboard, RAM is on the way and I was planning on purchasing Fermi either this month or in January. I'm usually an Nvidia fan but I may be forced into siding with ATI this time. Not sure if I could stand a system this powerful running my old 7800GTX. :-\]]>Dec 28th 2009 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
I'd like to point out Fermi's release will coincide with ATI 5 series refresh. They can't possibly hope to compete in price as the GF100 chip is huge in comparsion to ATi's R800. So Nvidia needs to bring one heck of a card to the market to avoid being curb-stomped by ATi.]]>Dec 28th 2009 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
MoonWalkerCTE, Eddie confirms it: buy ATI 5xxx because nVidia again going to release something 90% of consumers do not care about.

Realistically speaking, whatever nVidia releases in March would be so f***ing expensive, so you might as well pick e.g. 5850 now and then around summer/fall upgrade to Fermi: by that time you wouldn't need to sell your house to buy one.]]>Dec 28th 2009 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/But....
But as a gaming notebook owner, I must admit I am deeply disillusioned with their consumer policy. Those bastards charged 700 USD for one 9800M GTX. That's simply a rip off.. ! Especially considering it was just a tweaked 9800 GT core. From a consumer perspective, they deserve some beating! Let's just hope it doesn't end up in a monopoly of the graphic card sector, the way it is with Intel in the CPU sector.]]>Dec 28th 2009 2:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
So far all games I have seem to enjoy running at ultra high quality in 1680x1050 (which is my screens size). Yay!]]>Dec 28th 2009 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 28th 2009 4:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Your speculation, although theoretically possible, is completely unfounded and way out there IMHO, And frankly rather unlikely.
After reading about it I'd sooner say they made ti too complex and costly to produce, it sounds on paper as something designed for scientific or pentagon use not for gamers and normal consumers.
And a card that will cost $700 in the budget version (I estimate) should better not focus on DX9, but it's clear it doesn't, you should really read a bit about it before speculating like you do.
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I've been with ATi since the beginning and that was in 2003 when they released their 9600SE. Ah 128MB GDDR RAM for Half Life 2 now those were the days..]]>Dec 29th 2009 12:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/
What's worse is that "Fermi" could mean the Quadro upgrade or the GTX 280 upgrade. The more likely is the Quadro, meaning it could be another 3 months before you see a GTX 380 (or whatever they want to call it.)

It could be August before you get your GTX 380 and you'll likely pay 600 for what you could get from ATI/AMD (albeit in two cards) for 500. Unfortunately for us, ATI/AMD will not be dropping prices like that until they have to. And, the 6870 (which is something you will have to consider in late july, early august) will be out in a few months (once again, talking when you might finally get your GTX 380).

Not a good day for the consumer and a terrible day for NVidia. ]]>Dec 29th 2009 4:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/nvidia-fermi-pushed-back-to-march-ati-prepping-midrange-refresh/Dec 29th 2009 11:26AM