http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
All I need is a wifi spot, or better yet, what about a straight up data plan AT&T? I'd pay $30 a month for that.

The iPhone, even without cell service is an amazingly capable device (Skype, textPlus+). ]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Seriously can't stand it when companies do this. My 50Mb connection currently runs at 13Mb. Why? Because Virgin Media won't upgrade their hardware as their user base grows.]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
Are you on DLS or ADSL. If its ADSL then its not their . Its because you're too far from the exchange.]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
Virgin Media 50mb is Underground Fibre Optic Cable.]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/It's fiber optic to a box in the street and copper to the house. It's defiantly an oversubscription issue as we used to get the full 50Mb. Then all the students moved into the area....]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
Simple answer to Virgin woes, downgrade it or cancel it.]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Maybe your phones are bad I have had all 3 and have not one problem in the cities with it. That sucks man]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
Apple brings you the iPhone. The iPhone brings each world network down.

]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
Arstechnica had a story of this. Apparently IT IS apples fault. They have chosen a way to save batteries that screws up the network. They do a full shutdown on radio part and whenever the phone wakes it connects to the base station. And with enough devices doing this the channel capacity overloads.

Read more here:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/12/claim-that-crappy-iphone-service-is-apples-fault-is-bunkum.ars]]>Dec 29th 2009 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/I have to agree. I have the iPhone and my wife has a regular Motorola phone and we are constantly going places where my calls drop and hers stay connected. I'm not saying AT&T can't improve their service, but let's not let the messiah (Jobs) completely wash his hands of this mess.]]>Dec 29th 2009 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/and as noted, at least they owned up and admitted they miscalculated. And are vowing to deal with it as quickly as they can. None of this double talk like from ATT or trying to blame the actual phone as being faulty, etc. ]]>Dec 29th 2009 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
The o2 network has been very patchy for a long time, Well before the IPhone came along. I think the fact that Vodafone will be getting the IPhone soon and have stated that they have prepared their network for it has force o2 to make this statement.]]>Dec 29th 2009 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
I WISH I could get anything close to 13MB. I am paying for 2MB on Tiscali (UK) and am getting less than 1. I am lucky if I can download more than 1 MB in a minute.

Because BT think that upgrading copper wire from 1990 is too expensive. Do they realise how important internet connections are? It's almost 2010. ]]>Dec 29th 2009 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 12:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Relatively speaking, 13Mb is still loads, but no good when I'm paying a ton for 50!

@The rest of ya
Didn't realise the issue was with the phone, thought it was purely a bandwidth issue.]]>Dec 29th 2009 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
If the graphics chip overheats, it is not Apple's fault, it is the graphics manufacturer.
If the trackpad does not work, it is not Apple's fault, it is the trackpad supplier
If the computer arrives broken, it is not Apple's fault, the shipping company mishandled it
If the OS deletes files, it is not Apple's fault, the user should not have used the Guest account
If the iPod catches on fire, it is not Apple's fault, the user obviously left it in the sun
If a new version of OSX shipps and your software does not work, it is not Apple's fault, it is the software author not writing the software correctly.
If your shiny new device have cracks, it is not Apple's fault, you obviously mishandled it.
If your shiny new device have marks where your hands rest, it is not Apple's fault, you need to wash your hands
If you can't register your iPhone after a new firmware is released, it is not Apple's fault, you should have waited until the rush had died down before upgrading
If your new 27" Mac has perf problems even though every other version works fine, it is not Apple's fault, it is the software authors problem
If your Mac puts out excessive heat, it is not Apple's fault, you must be blocking the vents
If your iPhone's battery drains too fast, it is not Apple's fault, you are just using it too much (which shows how great the device is, you use it, it drains the battery, so it is great!)
If you upgrade to the latest service pack of OSX you lose audio, it is not Apple's fault, you are just listening to bad music
If MobileMe deletes your mail, it is not Apple's fault, you did not backup like you should
If your TimeMachine stops working, it is not Apple's fault, you do not need backups with Apple software and hardware

If your iPhone has poor reception, it is not Apple's fault. See, we said before it was not Apple's fault, then they released a firmware update that partially fixed the fixed the problem, but it still is not Apple's fault. It is AT&T's fault - even though we hand-picked them, put out commercials talking about how great AT&T is, signed an exclusive contract, and so much more. Apple getting in bed with them, is not our fault.
]]>Dec 29th 2009 12:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
+1]]>Dec 29th 2009 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
I go the the Apple store every couple of months and they check it out and give me a new (referb) phone saying that I have a "bad one". I have deleted all apps not in use and instead of restoring from a backup I start new. Same results every time with the 3GS. I just feel something is wrong with the 3GS version of the iPhone that didn't exist on the previous iPhones?? I know so many people with the 3GS and the stories are very similar but we all had better luck with our 3G phone???]]>Dec 29th 2009 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Rarely do I leave a non-productive comment such as this but.

+1

good show sir good show.


You forgot the part about blasting x86 architecture and how great PPC is. until intel mac comes out and then suddenly intel architecture (not x86...oh wait it is!) is 50% faster then PPC....]]>Dec 29th 2009 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
Buy the AT&T USBConnect Mercury (http://bit.ly/USB3GDongle),
You can chuck (or sell) the dongle and stick the 3G SIM card in the iPhone,
Et voila, a straight up data plan just like you wanted (albeit $35 a month for a measly 200Mb - its $60 for a 5Gb plan)]]>Dec 29th 2009 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
Lets face it - apple set the new standard for high-bandwidth phone usage which all major players seek to emulate. The iPhone is serving as a wake up call to all carriers for what the future holds. So be glad that apple has paved the way!

It blows me away how so many apple haters bash the R&D and product seeding division (apple) for the other companies they prefer to use. Get over it .]]>Dec 29th 2009 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
Ahh yes, Apple haters. Those evil people who do nothing but bash. Doesn't make a difference if Apple is screwing up, or if the people doing the "bashing" are complaining about problems they actually have (many of those in that list above are problems I personally have had), they are all haters.

That is exactly the point I am getting at. If I buy an Apple phone, and Apple restricts me to one "choice" because they decide they want total control, then they share some of the blame in the cause.

If Apple puts bad NVIDIA chips in a Mac, who is to blame? Apple fanboys will immediately say it is NVIDIA's fault for building a bad chip. Isn't it both of their fault - NVIDIA for building the bad chip and Apple's for using the bad chips without going through rigourous testing to make sure the chips are OK for that particular device before they ship it? Obviously you cannot test every single chip for every possible flaw, but you test some from each lot before shipping all of them - then you don't get into the situation we are in at my company where our Mac dev machines have a fried GPU, and were told that it is our fault for not having an Apple Care policy. If it is in an Apple computer, they are responsible for fixing it and making sure it works.

Same here. If Apple would have researched AT&T first. If they had contractual agreements where AT&T would modify the network if this happened. If they were not so elitist and force everybody to use one cell provider, if Apple would not brick phones if you tried to hack them for other networks, if, if, if, ... then maybe we would not be in this position.

So while it is most likely AT&T's fault, Apple is an accomplice in the affair. Apple cannot ship a phone that does not live up to the promises they make (actually they have, bit not working at all is a whole new step). MS takes the hit for when bloatware shipps on computers from Dell, HP, etc. Why should Apple not take the hit here when they sell a device that is not working as promised?]]>Dec 29th 2009 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
I also like how you first say that I am right about most of what I say, but I am an Apple hater and need to "get over it".

If you agree with most of what I say, and I am an Apple hater, wouldn't that make you an Apple hater also?

I just took a look at your posting history. You only have 2 posts. Couldn't your 2nd post be the definition of a "hater"?]]>Dec 29th 2009 6:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
OK i won't call you an apple hater again - its obvious that you blindly love the company and because of that i love you man.
]]>Dec 30th 2009 1:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/You're absofrickin right, but.... how do we really know it's not the phone?]]>Dec 30th 2009 2:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 30th 2009 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
Only complaint is the price. Can't blame the phone for that.]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 10:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
I mean, remember when the 3G had issues staying connected to the 3G network and would switch to edge. That was all resolved by Apple releasing new software, in otherwords it was Apple's fault. What if the iPhone's problems are....oh my, dare I say it....the iPhone's?]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/exactly. thats why i dumped my iphone. when i borrowed my friends n96 for a week and never missed a call or had slow data service i realized it was the iphone itself. I immediately got a tilt 2 and haven't had a single signal issue. ya know why? because when it cant get a 3G signal it automatically switches the band to EDGE so it can get a better signal! iphone cant/wont do that.]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
"because when it cant get a 3G signal it automatically switches the band to EDGE"

Well it does...it just sucks at it.]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/On the other hand I get great 3g coverage in Houston and never have any reception issues or dropped calls either. I am in the 4th largest city in the country at that. It could be a mix between the iPhone and network, but chances are when you have a mass amount of people all of the sudden using up all of your data, as a result you're bound to see a sluggish network.]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
They are not just the iPhone's (or iFail as I like to call it) problems. I have placed many tickets for my many different handsets with ATT, only to be told each time to turn 3G off. Sorry ATT, but what?? You mean to tell me that you sold me this high-tech "3G" phone that was released to compete with all the other networks, but the solution to your numerous dropped calls and failure to connect to the data network are solved by turning that feature off? /begin sarcasm - Oh, ok... Makes perfect sense... /end sarcasm

Surprising how a large telco that has sold a plethora of expensive iPhones can not afford to expand and improve their coverage and handsets. Either that, or maybe it is just because they don't really care to.. Either way, the Droid is looking more appealing by the day.]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
You have a good point, although just about everything is starting to look good if it isn't on ATT's network...]]>Dec 29th 2009 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Rogers's iPhone service (Canada) is doing good? I can't count how many missed calls my wife got using her iPhone. Just the other day, we had to wait longer for our restaurant wait time because she didn't get the text (3X) message that our table is ready. ]]>Dec 29th 2009 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
I have my iPhone 3G unlocked on the Three network in the UK and my coverage is fantastic - I don't think I've ever had a dropped call.

My friend who's on O2 on the other hands gets no reception (with his iPhone 3G) where I get full 3G coverage. ]]>Dec 29th 2009 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/Dec 29th 2009 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/iphone-reception-issues-plague-o2-too/
So what's the going rate for Engadget's quid pro quo with AAPL? How many tablet speculation posts or insinuations that cell networks must be the problem ensure advanced access when the vaporware tablet or "4th generation iphone" (because the previous 3 have added so much functionality per iteration) is released?]]>Dec 29th 2009 10:13AM