http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/ Engadget Comments for Sony VAIO Z to offer ultra-fast "Quad SSD" in RAID 0 configuration, backlit keyboard? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Same! They still got it! I wish I could say the same for my wife.]]>Jan 4th 2010 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Droll............]]>Mar 5th 2010 12:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/but the only way to afford this is to rob the bank =(]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
Gosh I hate you so much :( I was gonna say something witty and smart.]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
Yes, you have tremendous speed but have introduced 3 more points of failure...]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
No, still equally as likely. ]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
No, each write only writes to one sector of the SSD. a RAID 0 basically introduces 4 drives seen as 1. The difference is minute. (controller card failure and other things that rarely happen). ]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Wrong. Raid 0 is striped. The stripe width is typically around 512 bytes. A file written to a raid 0 drive is split into chunks of 512 bytes. The first chunk is put on drive 1, second chunk on drive 2, etc. To reconstruct the data, all drives involved need to be functioning. The Mean Time to Failure (MTTF) is equal to the MTTF of one drive divided by the number of disks. In this case, 4. Wikipedia explains it all very well.

The upside is that, as far as I know, SSD's have much larger MTTF's (they fail much less often) because they lack the moving disks and heads of traditional HDDs.]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
I realize that was somewhat confusing. In layman's terms, if one of the 4 drives fail, the whole thing is worthless. Therefore, the drive itself is 4x more likely to fail and the OP is correct.]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/I totally agree. I'm not quite sure why you would do this with the only OS drive on a laptop. Such a thing makes sense as the OS drive on a desktop where primary data is stored on a larger HDD, possibly in Raid 1. But for a laptop, most of the people that buy this aren't going to care and once the thing starts failing, they'll get frustrated. Let's hope Sony knows something that we don't.]]>Jan 4th 2010 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 5:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Welcome to the world of Nested RAID. RAID 0+1 and 1+0 have been around for a while. However, RAID 5 is becoming a compromise.]]>Jan 4th 2010 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/All of you are worrying for no reason about the failure. this thing will be obsolete on 2 years :) by that time you will have a new drive.]]>Jan 4th 2010 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
This single drive SSD RAID is a totally different beast. Four chips in raid would have the same MTBF as a four chip drive that isn't raided. To think of things in legacy terms, you guys are basically claiming adding a platter cuts the MTBF in half!

Its apples and oranges.]]>Jan 4th 2010 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Ahh good point. The picture clearly shows that this is a single enclosure with one circuit board. In this case, how is it different from simple a larger SSD with 4 memory chips on it? (yes I am a novice to this technology).]]>Jan 4th 2010 6:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
How is it going to be different if its a laptop?]]>Jan 4th 2010 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 10:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
if you spend any less.... its really not worth it.


I think one of the main advantages the Z has over others is the DVD drive which you can change to be an extra HDD.

My VAIO Z 530 has a OCZ 64gig SSD and a 500GIG HDD in the dvd drive.

:)

its the best.]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
hey, i didnt actually use a caddy. I just took out the DVD, and put in the drive. I used some pieces of cardboard to keep it from sliding around and such.

The hardest part by far was getting the cords to all fit, i had to do some serious bending and at some points was worried that i would actually ruin the sata cord.

I got the cord on newegg, it was like 18 bux. (make sure you dont get the wrong female/male one which did at first, this incorrect cable was like 8 or 12 bux, i forget)

About 3mm of the red cord stick out the side but its hardly noticeable.

Im gona be posting a youtube video of it soon, if you keep an eye on my channel, cenkaetaya2.... i will have it up in the next day or two.

a caddie would definitely be better, but im a bit low on funds :P]]>Jan 4th 2010 7:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Really? Can the DVD drive be taken out by users or does it the laptop have to be built with the drive missing?

If I could take mine out, I think I would do it in a heartbeat.]]>Jan 4th 2010 7:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
The dvd drive will be held down by 1 screw, afterward it will slide out.

Basically afterward... you just need to shove a Sata HDD in there with this cord:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200219

since more of you people are interested, check out my youtube channel cenkaetaya2

i will post exactly how mine is done; but its really easy to do.


Apparently taking out the DVD drive voids warranty, but its impossible to tell if you put it back in. Just be careful and replace the dvd drive in case of warranty needs.

Note: Having the 2nd hdd on reduces the battery by about 35 mins. (you can turn it off through device manager at any time though)
]]>Jan 4th 2010 7:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=315001
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i was the one who removed the DVD drive with 3 screws at first. hehe

This thread also shows you the manual for the Z]]>Jan 4th 2010 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
so all i have to do is decide wether i buy the new vaio z or the next mabook pro. decisions...]]>Jan 5th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz2k2ydUOc8&feature=player_embedded]]>Jan 6th 2010 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
I'm already £25K in debt thanks to student loans, if I were to get this that would push the total up to £30K :(]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
while you're at it might as well snatch up Nexus One and call it a day :)]]>Jan 4th 2010 5:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
Because who is going to pay $1000 just for the 256 gbs of 4 raided SSD? Sure, it'll be fast, but the 5 laptops you sell won't make it worth it.

I wouldn't bother given that it's a sony laptop... had numerous problems fixing sony laptops in the past for people. ]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
Mine's the SZ in Carbon fibre...

Simon]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
Also, who wants a RAID0 for an OS drive?
It will die within months, guaranteed -- a few media errors and you're done. I think engadget is getting these specs wrong...because this doesn't make one bit of sense.]]>Jan 4th 2010 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 6:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/uh....yeah?
My point was that ONE ssd breaks the sata-2 barrier...so having 4 of them in a raid0 on the same sata controller is worthless...it will go 250 MB\sec for reads and writes when it could be going 4 times that, even more.
Also, since it's RAID0, if one of those drives has even ONE bad stripe, the entire volume dies...so I do not see the point of ths.]]>Jan 4th 2010 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/Jan 4th 2010 7:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/The Intel X-25E's can do 250 for R+W with latest firmware (one drive)...Theres SAS SSDs that can do 400+ for R+W also.]]>Jan 4th 2010 7:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/"Also, since it's RAID0, if one of those drives has even ONE bad stripe, the entire volume dies...so I do not see the point of ths."

Also, thats false. If one 1/4 of one strip dies in one chip then it affects the other 3 parts in the other chips. If one whole chip dies then yes, it ruins the other four.

I'm not sure what you originally meant to say but you're certainly using the terminology incorrectly.]]>Jan 4th 2010 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/When drives are in a RAID, data is "striped" across all drives. The blocks of data are called stripes and they span from drive to drive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striping]]>Jan 4th 2010 7:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/
Even if this thing used four $150 64gb chips thats still the same speed, four times the space, and at least $200 less.]]>Jan 4th 2010 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/I understand how striping works...
A four disk array has many many stripes and each disk only holds 1/4th of each stripe.

The "failure of a single stripe" almost has no meaning. You're basically suggesting that the same sector on each drive somehow became unreadable due to unrelated causes.

Even if that were the case, its doesn't affect the other stripes on the drive. If a single disk in the array dies, it kills the volume, not a single stripe.]]>Jan 4th 2010 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/sony-vaio-z-to-offer-ultra-fast-quad-ssd-in-raid-0-configurati/"The "failure of a single stripe" almost has no meaning. You're basically suggesting that the same sector on each drive somehow became unreadable due to unrelated causes."

That's how RAID0 works, dumbass...lol.
If one drive has something wrong with it, every single drive in the entire group goes down. Other RAID levels like 3,4,5,6 have parity, where if there is a bad stripe or drive fails, it can be recovered, but RAID0 has nothing.]]>Jan 4th 2010 8:10PM