http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Now I am partying I did. This is really great news. Native apps on the Pre, Flash (as needed... by tapping on the flash movie in the browser), ... the only thing I'm missing is the announcment of an improved IM-client.
I know webOS uses libpurple (from pidgin) to connect. So in theory it should be no problem to enable ICQ, and all the other missing IM-protocolls...

Also, I hope, I'll still be abled to keep that navi-ball-button flashing patch when I got a call/message while abscent...]]>Jan 7th 2010 3:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
After reading this post, I didn't completely let go of my mouse before grabbing for my Pre. Sadly, my mouse is in pieces.

It was worth it..]]>Jan 7th 2010 6:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Not really. Remember that WebOS just came out last year. Hasn't even been a whole year. The iPhone went a year or so before any apps.]]>Jan 7th 2010 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
Plus the iPhone only got serious about gaming recently when the 3Gs came out with the better graphics.]]>Jan 7th 2010 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
One year isn't bad at all.

]]>Jan 7th 2010 2:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
It's not about release date, but about the time it takes one company to achieve what the other has. Palm has gotten an App Store with games in about a year, whereas Apple took longer.

I agree with you though, it's nothing to get excited over. More competition = better products for all, but I doubt Palm's App Store will ever gain the widespread recognition that Apple's has.]]>Jan 7th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Not exactly, because this is software we're talking about. Palms hardware is already there. Even their OS is mostly there. So they should be up to speed shortly.
The point I'm addressing is time of development and saying that palm has been on the fast track.]]>Jan 7th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 3:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
This is incorrect. We are just now starting to see a few games that actually are programmed for the 3GS.

The vast majority of iPhone games are designed for 2G/3G iPhone specs. Obviously this makes sense from a developer standpoint, as it includes all App Store customers and not just those with the newest equipment. ]]>Jan 7th 2010 3:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
What an idiotic statement and of course the iHaters would rank it up as soon as possible. Like with most things Apple was the first and had to create the app store when there was no single organized app stores period! get it? Why are there so many smart phones and decent UIs now days? Because Apple created the first one and all the other manufactures had to do was copy it. It takes more time to come out with things when you're inventing something entirely new and yet Palm had Apple's blueprint to look at and it still took them over a year! Can you imagine how far we would be back technologically if every company took as long as the original inventor to come out with a product? You must have a Pre and that's understandable with all the hype it was getting, it's an OK phone at best, but try not letting your biases come through so clearly. ]]>Jan 7th 2010 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Saying "it still took them over a year!" show how little you know about hardware and software.

First of all, there were centralized app stores before, they're called linux repositories, and there were, and are apps to browse them (although the good ones have only come out recently). So it was not Apple's original idea. Hell, you could even argue that Valve's Steam digital content delivery system was, and is, an app store primarily for games.

Second, you don't understand development cycles and the mentalities of large corporation in the least. It's a race to the top, but when you're on top, there is a tendency to dawdle and stagnate. We see it with Microsoft all the time, with IE6, Windows XP, etc, and now with Apple and the iPhone. The need and drive to out innovate dies down and you lose momentum. Apple made a great but incomplete product in the iPhone. It lacked many features in its initial release which people forget. There was no app catalog, there was no video recording (still none for the 1st gen iphone), no 3D acceleration, no A2DP support, STILL no multi-tasking, the list goes on. Since their meteoric rise to the top of the market they helped reinvent, they've done... very little. They released new versions which were slightly faster, and began adding features it should've had to begin with, but that's about it. And every new iPhone OS release makes the older hardware sluggish.

By comparison, new firmware revisions for Android and WebOS tend to increase its speed and responsiveness more often than not, as well as battery life. When I got my Pre, my battery'd die just around the time I got home. Now, about 2 hours before I go home, it's still at 65% after being unplugged for about 10 hours now with moderate use. Apple, rather than streamlining their OS just releases new hardware to compensate for the slowdown. It's one of the reasons why my best friend ditched his iPhone for the Droid (the other was AT&T).

Palm did the same thing years ago. They launched the smartphone market almost singlehandedly, but then stopped innovating and became irrelevant. With the iPhone's release, they saw it as a chance to reinvent themselves and jump back into the game that they began playing before anyone else, and they're now experiencing a well deserved second renaissance. Who knows what'll happen in another 10 years?]]>Jan 7th 2010 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
Errrrrrrrrr no, there were apps released around November of 07.]]>Jan 7th 2010 5:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
Errrrrrrrrrrr no, iphone has been gaming since 08, try again genius. ]]>Jan 7th 2010 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
Stop talking out your arse, if Apple was innovating, why do they keep selling more phones. Some of you idiots are dumb, goddamn. I guess you must have been missing the yearly iphone event and new iphone released in March and June respectively with the next one coming in March. Damn hating is not good. ]]>Jan 7th 2010 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 6:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Um Palm OS used to have an app catalog called AddIt, way before the iphone was even announced, so no apple was not the first to have an app store.]]>Jan 7th 2010 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
Maybe because it's the most recognizable phone out there. ]]>Jan 7th 2010 10:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/"if Apple was innovating..."
I think you meant to say "wasn't innovating"

"...why do they keep selling more phones"
Because they have followers and name/brand recognition. People know what the iPhone can do. They're only beginning to learn what Android and WebOS can do. That's what happens when you're in the market for like 2 solid years before anyone else...

"I guess you must have been missing the yearly iphone event and new iphone released in March and June respectively with the next one coming in March."
You mean the events where the released the same phone over and over again with a slightly better specs? That's not innovation, that's stagnation. And don't even start talking about the OS. The only things new they've done with that are adding features it should've had to begin with, like A2DP and MMS.

They've been in the market for years, during a nice portion of which they had no real competition, and in that time, they've released one single phone over and over, the iPhone. Their "one-size fits all" mentality is flawed, as the recent surge in desire for Android handsets has shown. Not everyone wants the same thing. Not everyone wants to be tied into iTunes, not every developer owns a Mac, not everyone likes not having a physical keyboard. The list goes on.

"Damn hating is not good."
Says the guy who referred to me as an idiot?

You misunderstand, I'm not angry at Apple or resentful... I'm disappointed. They had so much time to do some really incredible things... yet they wound up stuck on the same carrier for years, an App Store with more garbage than good, a severely restrictive developer environment that alienates and outlaws devs and hackers who only want to improve the phone and customize it, and releasing the same phone over and over again.

What part of all of that seems revolutionary? They stopped innovating about 2 years ago as far as I'm concerned, and considering the fact that their competition was swiftly gaining and is now at their heels, unless they have something truly cataclysmic for the iPhone this year, they may well fall by the wayside. I don't know of anyone who's keeping their iPhone once the contract expires, and that's about 10 people off the top of my head...]]>Jan 8th 2010 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 16th 2010 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
Keep bringing that fire Palm.]]>Jan 7th 2010 2:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
Word, these Android clowns are a bunch of idiots that are polluting everywhere. ]]>Jan 7th 2010 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
Palm has a lot of work to do to catch up. This should have been a priority since day one, so I would be concerned it is an afterthought and will not be implemented well with the platform's hardware.]]>Jan 7th 2010 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/If you think they could have done everything they have done in the past 9 months, with 1000 employees, and NOT have had this in mind the whole time, you obviously have never done any OS development. Something like this would have to be part of the roadmap at least a year out. ]]>Jan 7th 2010 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Seeing as how the Pre shipped with a nice GPU which was dormant until the latest firmware update, I doubt it's an "afterthought", since if it were an afterthought, they'd have had to release new hardware for it (*cough*like the iPhone versions*cough*).

I don't know whether to be upset that they didn't announce an actual new phone, or happy that all of the updates will work on the existing hardware (except for high-end games for the Pixi, but I doubt that comes as a surprise to anyone).

And on the subject of afterthoughts that Apple had/s which the Pre didn't... A2DP, MMS, multitasking, OTA updates, the list goes on...]]>Jan 7th 2010 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 2:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 3:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/It's easier for Palm and Apple because they're both hardware manufacturers. Google however only makes the OS, and the OS is on such a massive variety of hardware that testing and finding what works where with what tweaking requires speaking to multiple parties from multiple companies from multiple countries (HTC, Motorola, Samsung, Asus, etc etc). As opposed to 1 hardware tech from Palm or Apple walking over and telling them flat out "This will work on our hardware, this won't, this is how we can fix it" etc.]]>Jan 7th 2010 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/So I think the only way for google to compete on that level is to also open the OS more than they did up to now and allow native code to run also... an Android PDK if you like :)]]>Jan 7th 2010 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/Jan 7th 2010 3:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/palm-gets-serious-about-gaming-on-webos/
Anyway: both of them would have been a better choice than the iPhone (at least for me). Love using my pre as mass storage (who needs iTunes) and all the other stuff you have to rape your iPhone for to make it do what you want (used to have the first gen iPhone jailbreaked with linux for sync... was hell :().]]>Jan 7th 2010 3:28PM