http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/ Engadget Comments for MS developer talks tech, Natal 'correctly positions your hand even if it's held behind your back' http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/I want this tee]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Baby Demonoid]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/+1

i want to know where to get that shirt..]]>Jan 8th 2010 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk&feature=player_embedded]]>Jan 8th 2010 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/frank...from 30 rock?]]>Jan 8th 2010 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Lol, fugly shirt.]]>Jan 8th 2010 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Right. I'm keeping my wallet in my pants until we get a actual date. Has anyone seen a date for this thing. I'm sick of this end of the year crap or fourth quarter crap. Why can't Microsoft give a date for once? It will be moved again and again like everything they put out.]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 11:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Be afraid! I knows what your next move will be!]]>Jan 8th 2010 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://bit.ly/project-natal-will-change-our-world

But am sure, a guessing game isn't of the things enthusiasts are expecting with natal.. :D]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDzXqK4fh-A

Never gets old.]]>Jan 8th 2010 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
This is what 360 users can expect from this device.]]>Jan 8th 2010 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
So a demo given 1.5 - 2 years before shipping is indicative (I know, big word, you may want to look it up) of the final version.]]>Jan 8th 2010 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/It was only a joke you overly defensive XBOX defender. Personal attacks over a game console? How lamentable (I know, big word, you may want to look it up).]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
It's a product from Microsoft.

The correct narrative to push is that it's terrible, even though all of the recent demos of the thing has shown it working flawlessly.

I wonder if there is still a contingent of people that still think the whole thing is staged?]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
The only time anyone has been allowed to use this is when they are either in jump suits or a clean room. When they demoed this tech it was a huge failure on the stage. It borked. Why did it bork, because no matter how many times he rehearsed that move (which I am sure it was many times) they system still sucks.]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
This isnt MS bashing these are facts. No one has seen this system work correctly in unsanitized conditions.

Why did Fallon have to wear the jumpsuit? So Natal could find him. Because otherwise it would not be able to differentiate between him and the background.]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
I'm NOT a Microsoft hater. Did you look at the Apple avatar and start foaming at the mouth?]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Maybe because unlike in your house.. there where like 300 people behind him...]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
I'm NOT a Microsoft hater. Did you look at the Apple avatar and start foaming at the mouth?

Well, I know that. ;)

You are one of the few Apple fans here that actually are rational.

I did respond to NohOne1's post without seeing your's in total context. Very sorry.]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Did you look at that video? They installed a white paper background behind Ina. Watch the video! They actually installed a temporary backdrop so their product would work. Why? Because picking out subtle human movement in a three dimensional space is incredibly hard, especially when you have thousands of unknowns in each users situation.

Your reply is fail.]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Happy ending ftw! ]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
I think Sony is going to have a more workable solution.]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
First, my comment was more directed towards glammajamma - when you type using the engadget app on the iPhone (which, BTW, does not show images so I did not see your Apple logo) I hit reply on the wrong one.

As for you glamma, yes, they did have a whitebackground. Yes, on Fallon he wore jumpsuits (which he claimed were not necessary). There were also claims that Natal could not see people who were not white. There was a video a few days later showing Sugar Ray Leonard (which, if you do not know, is not white) using the system.

But here is the shocker - it was still a year and a half before it was released. A device shown in the early prototype stage does not have bugs fixed? Should we just assume that any product shown off before the official release is the version that will ship without any fixes? If that is the case, there are a lot of beta products released that are crap (including ones from the all mighty Apple).

And Sean - yep, you are right. It is vaporware and does not exist. Nothing to see here. This holiday season will pass without Natal, and Microsoft will put out a press statement saying "What? You believed us? You damn fool!"]]>Jan 8th 2010 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
AAh. Apologies then NohOne1. The reply reads @ChazClout but I guess that is some kind of flaw in the Engadget app (I wouldn't know any different as us Android owners are still waiting - HINT ENGADGET PEOPLE).

Thanks for taking the time to clear things up!]]>Jan 8th 2010 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
I was over at MS a few weeks ago on a tour, and this happened alot (avatar twisted into a ball). So... don't think they fixed that.]]>Jan 8th 2010 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/This --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmtMHgRx9r8
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Really? As was said before, all those videos with 18 MONTHS before release! A very early build! How many gadgets released howadays do we see working that well a whole year and a half before they are released? Reading all this CES news and hands-on they tell us things didn't quite work right, or was slow, or buggy, but hopefully will be fixed in 3-6 months when it is released. Imagine if they had 18 months to work out all the bugs??

And as far as the jumpsuit/background thing goes, I am sure it wasn't necessary, they were just trying to ensure the demo would go off without a hitch, because if it didn't work in ALL the demos they did just cause there were hundreds of people in the audience or thousands of flashes going off (both situations that are not real-world, in home), there would be no hype or hope and it would be labeled as a failure before it got out the door (much like many of you have labeled it without knowing really anything about the product or having actually played with it yourself)

And if you notice in the picture above, and the video from which it is pulled, he is wearing a WHITE T-shirt, in front of a WHITE background, and ofcourse he is white, all of this still a year(ish) before release date! I am sure it will be an awesome addition to the system!]]>Jan 8th 2010 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Because outside a clean room or orange jump suits it doesn't work well. If I owned a 360 I would be pissed that MS took this route. This camera system will be the glitchiest piece of crap available.
The problem is they cannot program this system to accomodate the myriad of different situations users will find themselves in, in their living rooms.]]>Jan 8th 2010 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Don't agree. It's gonna be a motion camera combined with infrared camera and a normal camera. All in all it's gonna work better than that ice cone Sony is going to release.]]>Jan 8th 2010 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Oh I didn't know you were part of the Natal development team]]>Jan 8th 2010 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
And you are?]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Ok, you are the one talking with such authority, saying that the thing is so terrible, obviously you have some insider info. Have you used it?

Or are you just talking out of your rear?]]>Jan 8th 2010 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
No I'm not, but I'm not the one making accusations that I can't back.]]>Jan 8th 2010 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Well good for you. Don't believe anything until you see it. You can assume that the sun will rise tomorrow, but you haven't seen it yet, so I would not claim it will.]]>Jan 8th 2010 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
That was completely irrelevant to the topic on hand. I don't have to see it to believe it, there are a lot of things I believe that I haven't seen. I know Eiffel exists but I've never seen it. My point was, you're saying a billion dollar company can't do something as if you actually know and understand the technology. Maybe you do, but I would assume not since you have yet to give specific reasons why it wouldn't work.

What is the reason for the pessimism? Why can't you just wait to see if it works when it comes out instead of writing it off as a failure? Do you really think Microsoft would be putting all this work into something so popular knowing it's not going to work?]]>Jan 8th 2010 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
"This camera system will be the glitchiest piece of crap available."

In the context of what you're arguing, isn't that the same as saying "The sun will not rise tomorrow."?]]>Jan 8th 2010 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
My point being that we all make predictions everyday in life and from my experience, from what I have seen of this product, what I have seen of 3d camera recognition, I am saying this project will never work correctly.

Am I programmer on the Natal project? Nope.

I am also not a physicist but I will predict the sun is coming up tomorrow, and Natal will fail by December.]]>Jan 8th 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
"This camera system will be the glitchiest piece of crap available."

Really? Worse than the EyeToy that released 4+ years ago? You always make random, totally stupid and unfounded comments to start flame wars? See how many times you can get "downranked into oblivion"?

Because I have the camera for the 360, it is definitely not perfect, but is still kinda fun with family/parties doing "You're In The Movies", and it doesn't require special clothing or background, so I really don't get where all this pessimism and "bad press" in the comments section is coming from.

If you look at comments and reactions of ANYBODY who has SEEN it in person, or played it themselves, they have all said it is amazing, unreal, hard to describe, and seems to be promising. (Yes, are some glitches like "BAM!", but they have A YEAR to fix those minor flaws) And all the positive reactions outweigh the negative (with people who have USED or SEEN it) I am guessing 10 to 1.]]>Jan 8th 2010 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/Jan 8th 2010 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
I don't know why this is being tagged as flaming or trolling. I just don't think this tech is going to work, and if I owned a 360 I would be pissed this was the avenue MS took.

"Well guys, we may as well just abandon technology all together. Obviously if it doesn't work GREAT the first time it is definitely NOT worth developing!"

Brokinarrow meet slippery slope]]>Jan 8th 2010 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/ms-developer-talks-tech-natal-correctly-positions-your-hand-ev/
Seriously...just stop.]]>Jan 8th 2010 2:19PM