http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/ Engadget Comments for Nexus One hardware costs $174.15, US multitouch still priceless http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Jan 9th 2010 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Why Apple? Apple's multitouch patents are worldwide patents. If the Nexus has multitouch in EU, there's no reason it can't have multitouch in the US. ]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Actually most of Apples multitouch patents only cover the US, and don't cover actual multitouch technology, just its implementations (such as pinch to zoom).]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Jack, since you can have multitouch in other countries then it's nor unreasonable to assume this is a vagary of the US patent laws so there's two things you can do:

1) Curse Apple for not licensing the technology although, in fairness, I understand why they don't.
2) Blame the bonkers US patent laws.

Your choice of which to rail against. Or both. Whatever.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Jan 9th 2010 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Yeah that's why the Pre and other phones in the US have multitouch, go and blame Google, Apple got nothing to do with it. ]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
So you tell me why it's going to be available in Europe and not in the US then. The Pre and HTC Hero both allow multitouch so either they're doing it differently, have Apple's consent or are not impinging on patents.

Which is it?]]>Jan 9th 2010 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Remember how Apple threatened to sue Palm and Palm just answered by saying that there wre patent the Apple was also infringing upon? That's the reason why Palm can use multitouch, They have the weight to trade blow with Apple when it comes to mobile devices patents. And I'm sure it is the same thing with the rest of the OEM. OEM is even newer than Apple so my guess is they'd rather avoid any litigations. That or there is some sort of non-compete agreement between Apple and Google.]]>Jan 9th 2010 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
In other words, you don't know why either. I'm assuming if you knew specifically why the EU Nexus has multitouch and the US one doesn't, you would have mentioned it.

As others have said, there are other phones in the US that have multitouch. Why not the Nexus?]]>Jan 9th 2010 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Or maybe Google is being cheap and don't want to pay royalty fees like others are doing. You have no clue why this phone doesn't have multitouch, blaming Apple is just a cheap shot considering other phones besides the iphone have multitouch in the US, blame Apple for Google's incompetence. ]]>Jan 9th 2010 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Dude please show me where Apple threatened to sue Palm about multiotuch, stop spreading lies. ]]>Jan 9th 2010 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Exactly, they don't know anything but they need to find a way to blame Apple. I mean Apple is the cause of everything negative these days, they are now blaming Apple for the Nexus One not being able to connect to 3g properly, lol.]]>Jan 9th 2010 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Yes. Google's incompetence for including it everywhere but where Apple's patents reign supreme (fact 1)

Then also it's not MULTITOUCH that is disabled it's PINCH-TO-ZOOM. So there's another mark for the patent theory since Apple's patent covers gestures and such. Not multitouch as a whole (fact 2)

Blaming Apple isn't being evil, biased, or whatever. Apple is a business (or did you forget that). Blocking (or going young and hip with cock blocking) is what businesses do to ensure that their "uniqueness' is preserved strictly for them.

If that's what Apple did (I'm not going to act like I know the reason), then that's what Apple did. Get over it. It's business...it's a war...it's what happens.

I honestly don't care. Personal opinion for my personal usage. I don't play games on my phone. I don't like holding my device with two hands just to zoom in and out (or awkwardly holding in one hand to get that all important pinch-to-zoom to work). I don't need a device that gives me the prettiest looking thing. I don't need a device that is over simplified so even kids can use it.

What I do need though is a truly one handed device (since I'm a dangerous driver and I do one handed phone operations and browsing).]]>Jan 9th 2010 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Check out some REAL comparisons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blr7OtefrHM N1 Engadget Test (Note he clears the cache beforehand *ON VIDEO*)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuVyExV8SYo Google Nexus One Vs. iPhone 3GS (See 2:15-3:30) "I've seen the Nexus One have an edge in all the webpages that I've tested going head to head."

Needless to say:

A) Josh obviously sabotaged the N1 / Droid somehow, or doesn't know what he's doing. No phone loads webpages that slow, not even a G1. It should be *extremely* obvious he did something very wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if the Droid/N1 were on a neighbor's Wifi network.

B) Why test only a SINGLE website? Seriously?

C) The N1 *IS* faster than the iPhone, as these videos clearly show, and dozens others will soon show as well. (Josh: What the HELL were you doing?)

Just wanted to clear that up.

P.S. Enough with the multitouch idiocy. Install the Dolphin browser (free) and shut up.]]>Jan 9th 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Bla, bla, bla. You don't know squat. You don't work at Google, you didn't help in designing this phone. You are just talking out of your ass and choose to blame Apple because of your hate for them. Why are other phones in the US with multitouch enabled, why hasn't Apple prevented them from using it, go and blame Google for not including multitouch and stop looking to put the blame on Apple. I'm sure you're one of those blaming Apple for 3g problems in the Nexus One. ]]>Jan 9th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Dumbass, you know not everyone gets the same results. In fact I also did the same comparisons and got the same result as Engadget. ]]>Jan 9th 2010 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/No I don't know, I I don't like to make wild accusations based on very little evidence or suggest that Google is doing this simply to annoy us. The facts are that these same Google products have multitouch functionality in the EU, and since Google is run by pretty clever people they must know that the exclusion of multitouch in the US is hurting sales. Therefore the only conclusion that can be drawn is that there is a US specific issue regarding multitouch, it could be Apples patents, or patents from another company entirely. Only Google really knows what's going on here, and the way they answer these questions suggests that they are not at liberty to discuss it, so until they or someone else explains this situation it's unlikely that we will find out the specific reasons why they are excluding multitouch in the US.]]>Jan 9th 2010 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
You obviously can't read.
And from your response I take it you're still a kid. So most will go over your head anyways.

I CLEARLY said I'm not going to act as if I do know why. Then I CLEARLY stated that IF that is the reason, get over it. It's the way businesses are ran to protect their interests and what makes their products unique.

Palm already stated that if Apple tried to sue them, they have a shitload of patents to throw back at them (since Palm did basically start this crazy PDA phone thing way back when).

You can sit here and think to yourself that there isn't something between Apple and Google. But obviously there is.

There could be an agreement, there could be a patent, hell...there could be someone holding their loved ones hostage. Who knows and who cares!?

The fact is...it's going to remain this way for awhile. They will not disclose the reason, so everyone should get over it and move on. You want multitouch...get a Pre, iPhone, Hero/Eris. You don't care...get your phone you want.

Whining isn't going to change the fact they don't enable it on native apps.]]>Jan 9th 2010 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/apple-palm-multi-touch-patent]]>Jan 9th 2010 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://bit.ly/nexus-one-updates-detail-opinions

The price for the multitouch hardware was really the punchline.. ]]>Jan 9th 2010 5:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
No, I'm pretty sure that's why it doesn't.]]>Jan 9th 2010 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Originally Posted by AndroidAppCritic
I hate everything about my new super sleek, super fast N1. What I hate most is its speed. Actually, I think I hate its awesome screen the most. Or that it's too light and thin for the power it has. I also hate how easily my contacts, calendar and email sync seemlessly with my device. I hate the fact I have to use a top of the line browser when going online and I especially hate that all my music plays so well. Watching all those HD quality movies I've converted and watching high quality YouTube videos is so boring. I can't stand my desktop full of all those widgets that provide me with useful information and those folders keeping my apps sorted just get in the way. But--and here's the most important thing I hate about my N1--I hate that I can make phone calls wherever I am. I'd much rather my calls be dropped. And that's all before I even rooted it to get access to more stuff to make my N1 terrible.
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Hi,

I am an executive for Engadget.com and I have taken an interest in your talent for reviewing new technology and writing reports. I would like to offer you a job on my staff for reviewing new phones on the market. I won't go into detail on public forums about the specifics of the job but I can tell you that we will supply you with a free Iphone3gs and free unlimited everything contract, compliments of our partnership with Apple and ATT. If you would like further details please private message me.

Thanks]]>Jan 9th 2010 6:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Or maybe Apple could have been talking about Palm hacking into itunes and using their vendor ID keys. What you posted doesn't show Apple threatened anyone with multitouch. It's all just hearsay by the deluded press looking to pit two companies against each other. ]]>Jan 9th 2010 7:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
You work at Google? ]]>Jan 9th 2010 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Nope.

Do you work at all?]]>Jan 10th 2010 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Jan 9th 2010 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/You underestimate the costs of marketing and software development.]]>Jan 9th 2010 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/You're complaining about this hardware at this price? Google and HTC will have spent a fortune developing the software and hardware for this phone. And considering the phones specifications they've done extremely well keeping costs this low, most phones are sold at a loss/no profit above manufacturing costs because carriers can make up the deficit through a lengthy contract and/or cancellation fees. Google/HTC selling this phone directly only get paid once and this must cover everything including manufacturing/design/shipping/advertising/investment/royalties/profit. Seems like a pretty good deal to me for an unlocked phone.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
good thing you dont make phones. wouldn't want you to go bankrupt in the first week of underestimating things.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Markup is still 100% +]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/All you have to do is look at the iPod Touch, we all know Apple makes hand over fist every product they make so no argument of them going bankrupt. Do you really think a GSM radio and FCC certification costs $200-$300? There is just very little competition for unlocked phone prices.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Price of hardware != cost of development.

Consider the following things:

1) Shipping costs
2) Manufacturing costs
3) Development costs: powering the buildings, paying the engineers, development equipment, developing the software, unit testing, FCC testing, etc..
4) Customer support
5) Warranty
6) And hopefully some profit in the end.

It should be noted that NONE of this is ever reflected in the cost of the actual parts to make a device. Which is why articles like this that point out that a device costs $174.15 to build but Google sells it for $529 is NOT a rip off. It is nearly impossible to calculate the value-added costs that comes from developing any electronics device.]]>Jan 9th 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/It's not impossible to calculate... how do you think they come up with the pricepoint in the first place?! ]]>Jan 9th 2010 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/That is just parts cost not the entire cost of the device.

There are still costs for assembly, engineering, marketing, corporate overhead, and support for customers.

These kinds of hardware cost estimates are amusing but very misleading. If you do a similar cost breakdown of the human body, you get estimated costs of a few dollars: http://www.coolquiz.com/trivia/explain/docs/worth.asp
]]>Jan 9th 2010 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Jan 9th 2010 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Like I said elsewhere, the volume of iPods vs the Nexus One is likely quite different. The Nexus One is likely to be in the millions while the iPod touch sells in the 10s of millions. Besides from the missing hardware between the two, this volume difference will reflect on fixed costs such as factories and price savings from volume production. A similar principle applies to automobiles, where high volume cars tend to be cheaper.

And in general business is done on market price (how much the market will accept) rather than a fixed margin. $530 is already lower than the usual market price for this kind of phone. Google can only go so low without facing opposition from manufacturer partners.]]>Jan 9th 2010 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Jan 9th 2010 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
long cat is loooooooooooooooooooooong]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/You, sir, are and idiot :)]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Jan 9th 2010 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Jan 9th 2010 11:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/just wait. Google brought on the game, and others will follow soon.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Money. Apple only releases one phone every year so they can have the best hardware. Other manufacturers make lots of phones, so they can't have one phone with the best hardware. They need to sell more phones so they make slight improvements each time they release a new phone.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Jan 9th 2010 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/Most video game consoles are sold at a profit, it's just Sony who sells their console at a loss and hope to make it up through games + peripherals.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
you get a high end phone for cheap or free if you sign a contract but those two years of fees add up.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
Its because console makers recoup there money in accessory and game sales.

And yes, both Sony and Microsoft sold their console at a loss initially. Nintendo is the only one that sold their console at a profit.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
because we arent constantly purchasing $60 games for our phones.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/
That's the answer to a completely different question, and the fact that you pay fees is irrelevant.

You would have to pay service fees anyway. The only carrier that gives you a break in price by bringing your own phone in the US is T-Mobile.]]>Jan 9th 2010 12:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/nexus-one-hardware-costs-174-15-us-multitouch-still-priceless/and we are hoping other carriers will join to be competitive. ]]>Jan 10th 2010 1:43AM