http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
No shit sherlock
]]>Jan 15th 2010 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/For example you can not contact them at all when you face a problem with Youtube or Google account everything is done via a robotic auto-reply email system, a simple Google search (Ironic) will reveal to you that thousands of people lost their Gmail/GoogleAccount/Youtube Account/etc and Google wouldn't help at all

Google is a great company but sadly their customer service is "Evil"

Also it's the same reason why i saw many people didn't care for the nexus one and picked iphone saying Apple got a superior customer service and care about their customers unlike Google.]]>Jan 15th 2010 12:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
As for Google's partners, a lot of manufacturer's are now going to be selling a lot of these more expensive phones. Now all the carriers, not just AT&T, can get in on the smartphone action and the more expensive plans they generate. And not have to be at the mercy of Apple that may or may not grace them with it's presence. They can compete. What did they have before? Windows Mobile? What a joke. Even now they are least three full years behind Apple. Symbian? Just now getting it's act together.

So, I mean, who loses? I don't hear anyone complaining. It's patently obvious that Android and Chrome are free and open source. No one's forcing it down anyone's throat. Companies that get involved with it know perfectly well that their competitors get the exact same ingredients. How does providing a free platform make you a bad partner? ]]>Jan 15th 2010 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Huh? Let me example, even though Palm MS and Nokia all already have. I give u something that I control, u sell it, then I start competing with u. Next suprise for u is that I control u. Next suprise is that I have a year advantage over u with each version that I control. Next suprise is that the next version sadly has special advancements ur existing products can't use but mine can, cause I planned it

Android isn't full open source, Google controls it and develops it.]]>Jan 15th 2010 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
1. Michael Gartenberg is making a good point. People buying into the Android platform need to understand that it is not a platform that is as unified as the general impression seems to indicate. Different companies have the freedom to use Android as they please; for example, they can skin the user interface to suite their unique preference. With the iPhone or the Palm Pre, the user interface experience is going to be uniform and consistent.

2. Michael Gartenberg is doing the right thing to bring these issues up for discussion. Like it or not, the approach Google is taking has consequences. The question is, is the consequence going to be good for the platform or not - giving various companies complete freedom to use Android as they wish?

3. What about Google introducing its own phone; will Google have an unfair advantage because people will associate Google’s phones as the safest bet when buying an Android device, in order to assure themselves of future compatibility with applications in the Android Market (Store)?

4. Would Google’s sales of Android phones take potential buyers from their partners, thus reducing their market share?

5. What is the consensus view of Google’s Android partners? Did they anticipate the current developments surrounding the Nexus One phone and does it influence their plans, moving forward? Do they really have any option? The biggest point here is that the Nexus One phone and other such phones in the future from Google has potentially the power to create a gravitational force so strong, that the publicity surrounding the Android ecosystem may inevitably benefit Google to the detriment of its partners. This is not necessarily an eventual outcome, but one that is quite possible.
]]>Jan 15th 2010 6:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/That last paragraph is sarcasm, right?]]>Jan 15th 2010 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
For 2 years, Google has carefully been following the trails of iPhone seeing their flaws and using it for BIG G's advantage, today on their official statement it's clear that Google release the nexus one phone not as an iPhone Killer but a smartphone for the whole world. You judge now which sounds more good to you. Nexus One is something that has been waited for countries who didn't have the opportunity to have a high-end smartphone. I'm talking about asia.

All questions has definetely been answered: http://bit.ly/nexus-one-official-details-and-questions

Although this move by BIG G of creating their own OS and manufacturing its own smartphone has been put onto a lot of scrutiny. I guess only time can tell if this 'competitive' move by G would turn out to be lucrative or a keypoint for their downfall. 10 days after takeoff is still too early to make hasty predictions.
]]>Jan 15th 2010 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 8:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/These are some counter thoughts to your points
a. counter to point 1: Google is well aware of the risk of fragmentation, therefore it has partnered htc and got involved directly with their new approach to selling a phone. Perhaps some more partners will come on board if this approach succeeds. Thus increase uniformity. Besides, official partners involved with Google are commited to maintaing a certain level of uniformity to take advantage of the Android Market.

b. counter to point 2: Michael Gartenberg has a very limited perspective. What is better than having an open platform that gets upgraded rapidly and is available to all manufacturers. Consumer gains the most as manufacturers scramble to upgarade their software over the air.

c. counter to point 3: Isn't consumer's preference for a Google branded phone good for the platform. Fragmentation is what you were complaing against in point no. 1. Consider this as Google's way of partnering manufacturers to promote a unified platform.

d. counter to point 4: Google isn't manufacturing the phone. It is branding the phone with its existing partners as the manufacturer. So, it is win-win for both Google and the partner. It would only increase consumer choice and Android Market share.

e. counter to point 5: It is obvious, Google has entered the cell phone arena in consultation with its partners. Indeed, the manufacturing partner has a stake in the success of the Google branded phone. Again, people gravitating towards Google branded phones only helps in unifying the platform. It is important for the Android ecosystem. Developers get to target their applications at a more unified platform, partners have their share, Google has its share, the Android platform finances itself for future development. ]]>Jan 15th 2010 11:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Everyone should go back and watch Macworld 2007, and watch Eric Schmidts speech. He talks about how its important to partner with companies who do other things the best, and just focus on doing the things that they do the best that they can, instead of trying to do things they don't normally do.

He said something along the lines of "we don't make phones or computers nor do we know how to, but we partner with those who do it the absolute best, that being Apple as Steve has just shown us today, and then we at Google will focus on doing the things that we do the absolute best that we can. Partnerships are very important, this is the way to do it, blah blah blah"

Its really funny to see how badly Google is contradicting themselves today in just 2 short years. He went from applauding Apple and developing a very close friendship, to doing a complete 180 and now trying to make themselves to be Apples rival while completely throwing away that whole speech of partnering with others and only focusing on doing the things Google does best.

Google within 2 years changed and turned into some internet version of Microsoft.]]>Jan 16th 2010 6:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Google has created a level playing field by giving Android away for free with no requirement for anyone who alters it to re-post as Open Source.

Let all the handset makers compete with Google to see who can make the best phone, for the lowest price - sounds like a free market economy and an epic win for us long suffering Consumers.]]>Jan 15th 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
How is it a win for consumers? The prices haven't lowered, the uniformity across devices is not the same, so upgrading to a new Android device from an old one will require you to learn a new interface. I mean who wants to learn how to interact with the basic features of a smartphone every time they upgrade? I would much rather focus on new features. Google is in the business of selling ads - period.]]>Jan 15th 2010 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
I think the author is more concerned with Google's decisions from an investor's perspective, rather than a consumer's. The problem he's addressing isn't necessarily the product or its effect on the market, but the seemingly muddled business plans behind them. ]]>Jan 15th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Because google making a phone is not fair competition. They not only wrote the book on the product they intimately know what kind of paper and ink in it and everything not written in the book. Though saying that, I commend them on trying to change the business, but they are using their advantage of "free" products to slap their allies in the face and happily getting away with it.]]>Jan 15th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
It's funny how this business model earns the the most money.]]>Jan 15th 2010 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
When the Touch Pro first came out I paid $350 before a $50 rebate for the phone. When the TP 2 came out it was the same price at some retailers, around $250 at others.

$200 after rebate is pretty damn good for a smart phone these days... yes I know the iPhone is at that price right now, but not all phones are either.]]>Jan 15th 2010 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
This is exactly the reason that MS never got into the handset market - it creates a situation where other manufacturers are very reluctant to invest if they aren't in the same loop as another manufacturer, doubly so if that manufacturer also makes the software. As a result they start looking elsewhere for their software to someone like, well, MS that can give them a platform release schedule months in advance and choice of Android handsets drops. The ecosystem suffers and the userbase finds their choice of apps and accessories diminishing.

Google had got it right with Android, it was being adopted by the big manufacturers and we were just starting to see some very good handsets coming out. They've thrown away all the goodwill they had with those maufacturers to make a phone that's an evolution rather than revolution and that's not even being marketed or advertised in physical stores. Worse, Microsoft is going to be making a big, big deal of Windows 7 in a couple of months and that pitch suddenly got a lot more compelling to companies like Samsung and Motorola. Bizzare business decision and one that, as a consumer, really damages my confidence in that platform.]]>Jan 15th 2010 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Android smartphones are now measured by comparison to the Nexus One, and if one of Goog's partners can actually make a better phone in the next 6 months, maybe, just maybe, Apple's dominance in the US smartphone market may start to decline.

Competition is good for the consumer. Google wasn't happy with the Android hardware development, so they've shaken things up a bit, IMHO.]]>Jan 15th 2010 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
I'm guessing you haven't used Android at all? ]]>Jan 15th 2010 8:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Motorola: OK, here's an awesome phone to go with your awesome OS!
Google: Haha, Ours is better!]]>Jan 15th 2010 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/ha, that's clearly a joke, but in all seriousness, it's not like motorola had no choice in the matter, they could have made the droid as awesome and powerful and expensive as they wanted, just because the nexus one came out a few months later and is an arguable better device, doesn't mean that was google's intention from the start]]>Jan 15th 2010 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Good one! I think google wants to be in everything. They are already default search engines in the iphone and firefox, now they have android for phones and netbooks.

Google: Alright folks! That was Android 10.1!!! BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!!! ]]>Jan 15th 2010 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
I'm in the market to buy a new phone. I'll be buying the Droid over the Nexus One because it's simply more phone for the money. I don't think Google is upstaging anyone except HTC's rebranded Droid Eris which was an aging phone already anyway as the Hero.]]>Jan 15th 2010 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Why is everyone saying that the two phones are competing. Technically they are, but one is Verizon the other is only on a POS GSM network, for the moment. That plays a huge roll in any persons decision.

Consumer: Hmmm, will I buy the Driod or he Nexus One? Oh yeah F T-mobile they don't have coverage here 3g or other wise. ]]>Jan 15th 2010 12:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Consumer: Look a new android phone! I'll get that one.
(5 mins later) : Look a new android phone! I'll get that one.
(5 mins later) : Look a new android phone! I'll get that one.]]>Jan 15th 2010 1:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Literally did that for the past few devices until I decided to jump in and get the N1. Physical keyboards are a subjective preference, DROID "didn't" for me... it IS an excellent device though, just not my flavor. Plus those Verizon prices... yikes.]]>Jan 15th 2010 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Your comment sorta makes it sound like GSM networks are crap where it's CDMA that's crap.

T-Mobile or AT&T maybe they are crap, that's not due to GSM.]]>Jan 15th 2010 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
The original idea and hype surrounding the Nexus One was really exciting but, what we ended up with was just another Android device--a great one though.]]>Jan 15th 2010 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Even though we may not think they are making the right choices, we only see a small portion of the big picture.]]>Jan 15th 2010 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
I think that the biggest innovation is that the hardware is unlocked even while buying in subsidized for T-Mobile. At any time you could pop in an AT&T or Vodaphone SIM and use your phone on another network.]]>Jan 16th 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 19th 2010 5:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Microsoft wants to be the next Google when it grows up.]]>Jan 15th 2010 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Google and Microsoft are brothers trying to out best eachother]]>Jan 15th 2010 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/lol maybe one day they will mate in the corporate bike shed and we will see the offspring Microogle or Googlesoft

ewww! ]]>Jan 15th 2010 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
And apple is the evil stepfather that fucks their mom every night]]>Jan 15th 2010 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/]]>Jan 15th 2010 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 10:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/he said with some profile on windows. There are currently fewer people using safari than there are mac owners, so safari windows usage must be close to non existant. ]]>Jan 16th 2010 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/Jan 15th 2010 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/entelligence-dont-be-evil-isnt-the-basis-for-a-relationship/
Because people like you have been complaining that Android will be fractured because it's not like the iPhone. So they released a phone that's to the OS maker's specs, and now you people whine about it. Unless it's something for the iPhone, it's always a bad decision in Engadget's eyes.]]>Jan 15th 2010 11:17AM