http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/ Engadget Comments for Government killing off LORAN-C navigation system, deems GPS good enough http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/get a grip dude]]>Jan 20th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/]]>Jan 20th 2010 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Because it doesn't send viruses along with the documents.]]>Jan 20th 2010 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
Thats pathetic in this day and age that I can simply email them the same paperwork that they would get via the fax machine.]]>Jan 20th 2010 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
Sadly fax machines are more secure than unencrypted email. And most people don't know how to encrypt email, therefore fax lives on.]]>Jan 20th 2010 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
I meant to reply to @Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi
silly engadget.]]>Jan 20th 2010 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Because not every country in the world lives in the 21st century. There are still many nations without reliable internet or even any internet at all. To do business there, fax machines are a must.

Just recently, my 17 year old VCR died. Now I have no way of watching my tapes...]]>Jan 20th 2010 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
Yes you do. Buy another one. And make sure it has VHS-DVD conversion so you can dump those tapes already.]]>Jan 20th 2010 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 2:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
The fact that email can pass through questionable servers is fine though?]]>Jan 20th 2010 7:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/The absence of easy encryption in email is so annoying, especially since 90% of the companies seem to think it s supersecure, they encrypt a site with 256bit encryption then send an email with everything you entered there to confirm it.., it's like putting it on the back of a postcard, only less secure, it's so stupid.
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^^This]]>Jan 20th 2010 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
Methinks your logic is flawed. Unless you are trying to make a joke.

Oh literal Jim.

/lib lib]]>Jan 20th 2010 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
+1]]>Jan 20th 2010 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/+2.
An EMP would take out this system, too.]]>Jan 20th 2010 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
for EMP's to be effective in wiping out land based communications and such, the generally accepted technology is Nuclear EMPs... essentially the detonation of nuclear weapons above the atmosphere. Chances are, the shockwave from a blast in space would be what messes up the satellites... rather than the EMP itself

anyway.. with radio based geolocation, im sure the equipment doing the calculations would be fried... unless shielded.. but what do i know]]>Jan 20th 2010 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/]]>Jan 20th 2010 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
either way.. ]]>Jan 20th 2010 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
Loran transmitters probably would survive EMP, and they surely have backup generators for the loss of electricity. It's the receivers that will be toast.

A transmitter is much easier to protect against EMP as it is inherently made to tolerate much stronger currents. And with the age of Loran it is quite possible that a lot of technique is tube based which aren't as easy to blow with EMP as semiconductors.

The receivers on the other hand need to work with much weaker currents and are touchy of over currents.So after a EMP system might work but nobody would have a receiver working.]]>Jan 20th 2010 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
Make sure your sarcasm detector is on next time you read a comment.]]>Jan 20th 2010 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
You know, If an EMP were to hit, I think we would have far greater problems than navigating ships and military equipment! Chances are that most of the reception equipment would be fried... I know everything at sea would! I don't know if military equipment is stronger, but I'm pretty sure that would get fried too! Just saying...

The Loran C equipment, on the vessels I've sailed on (yes, ships use LORAN as well - mostly as position reference for DGPS) couldn't even stand up to the vibrations on a ship - So I wonder how well it would do against a huge electro-magnetic surge!

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Loran is ground based and easily defended, with towers spanning great distances. You guys keep talking out your ass about EMPs, I'm gonna go cook a house full of popcorn with your laser beams while I defend teh erf and your GPS network.]]>Jan 20th 2010 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/We would have much, much greater problems than navigating ships if there were an EMP blast.

The internet would go down.

How would I read Engadget then?]]>Jan 20th 2010 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 21st 2010 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/EMP would fry stuff in use, but not the stuff in storage, assuming it's in a metal building or crate, so you should be able to recover by getting a new receiver, and generators should be relatively easy to fix, so there's hope even in an EMP scenario.
]]>Jan 21st 2010 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
haters!]]>Jan 20th 2010 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
Come on Europe.. get Galileo working. ]]>Jan 20th 2010 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/IIRC the civilian version will be limited to an accuracy of about 4 meters and be able to boost its abilities in a similar manner to current GPS devices using cell phone tower signals as a backup.]]>Jan 20th 2010 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
If GPS is scrambled in an area, most ships would be "screwed" even if the LORAN equipment was operational... LORAN is not required and is only used on a few specialized ships where high precision is needed and is used for position reference for the GPS-receivers.

However, we do have other means of navigating. When getting close to land, the radar is very helpful - and we do still know how to read the stars.]]>Jan 20th 2010 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
With the savings, the US government can pay off the $800 billion bank bailout/stimulus/slush in only a mere 21000 years!

Way to be penny wise and pound foolish!]]>Jan 20th 2010 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/
Healthcare ls a recurring cost, not just a one off payment without having to worry about it.]]>Jan 20th 2010 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/awesome icon man!
FLCL rocks]]>Jan 20th 2010 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/government-killing-off-loran-c-navigation-system-deems-gps-good/Jan 20th 2010 1:31PM