http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
"Cloud" was supposed to mean a set of technologies for delivering computing ability (be it storage, processor time, complete virtual machines) that would expand automatically to meed customer demand, and shrink when they weren't needed. In this case "customer" being both businesses and consumers who have need of that computing ability.

Unfortunately, "Cloud" has come to mean "on the internet", simply because too many people who weren't aware of the actual meaning of the word started using it in the wrong context, which spread the wrong meaning to everyone else.]]>Jan 21st 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/I manage *nix servers for a living so I have a pretty good idea what "The Cloud™" is. In this case it's just a server serving stuff (pretty simple stuff like db queries or data). Even if a load balancer is used to share the load between 2, 3 or even 100 servers that does not make it a cloud even in the slightest. The media has overused this word to the point where it pisses me off every time I see it.

Real fluffy clouds: Amazon EC2, Engineyard, Rebusfarm, some VPS providers, etc.]]>Jan 21st 2010 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
CLient - Online storage - User - Data]]>Jan 21st 2010 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://bit.ly/apple-tablet-details-compiled

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You haven't been reading your industry analyst reports. The cloud is just getting warmed up. What's import about applications in the cloud is the ability to provide a massively scalar multi-tenant environment with a minimal amount of on premise software or hardware. Clearly, this goes beyond servers. It's a host of competencies that can take years to perfect. I could go into all the benefits this model, but I'm not getting paid to.]]>Jan 21st 2010 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
nor would Apple want to deal with new phones AND the tablet at the same time. the retail stores would implode with dealing with the chaos that would cause

anything related to the iphone in such ways won't come out until WWDC, right before the phones release]]>Jan 22nd 2010 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/I would agree with that. Since LTE isnt too far off - it would make sense for Apple to hold off till then and make an LTE iPhone that would work on ATT or Verizon. Then iTunes would activate the phone and give you a choice of carriers like the Google store.

From what I can tell, and I could be wrong, Apple has only opened the iPhone up to carriers around the word who are using GSM. Which makes sense, you dont have to manufacture two completely different phones.]]>Jan 21st 2010 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
If you didn't live in the US, it would make absolute sense why Apple doesn't want to make a CDMA phone.]]>Jan 21st 2010 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/China Unicom operates in both GSM and CDMA....according to Wikipedia. I assume that the iPhone in China only operates on the GSM portion of the network?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Unicom]]>Jan 21st 2010 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
On the other hand, a T-Mobile iPhone would be greatly appreciated. As a current customer of AT&T, I want a cheaper plan.]]>Jan 21st 2010 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
And, it's not like Apple can just wait for LTE to cover the nation. Yes, Verizon will start to roll out LTE over the next couple of years, but it will be a long, long time before a Verizon phone can forgo CDMA2000 support. I don't understand why people think CDMA is going to disappear so soon. How long was the transition from analog to digital cell phone service? I bet this takes substantially longer than that.]]>Jan 21st 2010 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
If Apple could sell a few million more iPhones by releasing a CDMA version for Verizon, I'm sure they won't hesitate.

]]>Jan 21st 2010 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
CDMA won't be completely shut off for 3 or 4 years. Once Verizon makes their official announcement regarding LTE... they have to wait at least 2 years before they pull the plug on CDMA. They have to give people enough time to let their existing CDMA phone contracts expire... and let them purchase new LTE phones. Since Verizon has 90 million customers... this transition will happen over a span of many years.

If someone buys a new CDMA Verizon phone tomorrow January 22, 2010... and thousands of people will... Verizon has to guarantee it will work on CDMA until January 22, 2012. We haven't heard a peep about what exactly Verizon is doing with LTE... other than they plan to *begin* rolling it out soon. So it's safe to say CDMA will be here for a while.

The issue is not when LTE is coming... it's when CDMA will be shut off.

So, is Apple gonna wait around for a few more years until CDMA is completely gone? Or will they jump in now and sell millions of Verizon iPhones over the next couple of years?

I can understand the argument of Apple not wanting to create a second phone just for CDMA. But come on... the DROID just launched 2 months ago... so there's obviously a few more years of CDMA. Motorola, HTC, RIM, LG, Samsung and others are happy to provide Verizon with phones. And those companies are happy just making a sale. But, Apple has much more to gain by selling millions of new phones on a new carrier... app store purchases, music sales, etc.

Apple would be foolish to ignore CDMA for the next few years.]]>Jan 21st 2010 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
Verizon allegedly wouldn't agree to terms like that before the iPhone was released, which is how AT&T got it. I don't know what kind of terms they would agree to now. But, it's not just a matter of Apple selling more phones. Apple wants to sell phones with providers that they have particularly good arrangements with.]]>Jan 21st 2010 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/The rumor: Engadget ran out of substantive stuff to post about, so they decided to devote another post to Apple rumors even though they just did one a few hours ago.

Our take: Pretty much.
]]>Jan 21st 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
The Rumor: The iSlate/Tablet/Pad will run an i3/i5/i7 processor and the iPhone 4G will run dual processing chips.. ARM Cortex A8 paired with a Snapdragon 1.3ghz.. the Cortex will be "long battery life mode" while the Snapdragon will be "performance mode"

Our Take: probably not as Apple seeks to innovate and not imitate, they will create the iChip implement it in both devices while being smaller than Josh Topolsky's pinky toenail.]]>Jan 21st 2010 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
So tired of these round ups, and the new layout.

Does Apple pay AOL to write junk like this?]]>Jan 21st 2010 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 11:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
@d0mth0ma5 - you mean the ads from Windows 7, Papa Johns, TaxAct, etc!? I don't think they're demanding Apple rumormill. No one is saying that they shouldn't use adverts.]]>Jan 21st 2010 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
Comments would be more diversified across the site if they quit all the rumormill! I jump on the comment 'bandwagon' on this post to try and slow some of this crap down, like many others that have posted.. I love this site but they seem to take encouragement from people like you and continue to shove this down our throats, for the sake of milking the cash cow.]]>Jan 21st 2010 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
Who's Papa John?


adblock FTW]]>Jan 21st 2010 4:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
Agreed, engadget, how about lets stop sucking apples large e-penis so much please, i think the apple fanboys are starting to get sick of these apple rumor posts too.]]>Jan 21st 2010 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 22nd 2010 1:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
Uhhh, just what do you think the 'cloud' is?]]>Jan 21st 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
This is the thing that is a total head-scratcher.

From what we can glean from these guesses, this is going to be device that is locked into an app store, running the iPhone OS.

So you cant even call this a tablet PC in the true sense of the word. It's a slightly advanced version of those internet appliances from the late 90s. Except in this case, you can get widgets to calculate tips, fart digitally, or play DS-esque games.

But we keep hearing that tablets, that actually run full-blown OSs with the ability to run existing applications as well as any desktop, will be completely blown away? Do people remember that Apple doesnt allow for things like "duplication of features" on the iPhone? So no Firefox, Chrome, alternate media players or other such things? Not to mention no removable battery, expansion slots, god knows if there is even 2 USB ports.

I mean, how great will this possibly be if it is just a portable "iTunes purchases holder"?]]>Jan 21st 2010 10:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/Jan 21st 2010 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/while i agree with you completely, one thing to consider is that we have no idea what changes are coming in iphone os4, it may end up more like android, which has already found its way onto tablet devices (i doubt it, but its something to consider)]]>Jan 21st 2010 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/I imagine Apple is beefing up iPhone OS to be more of a general purpose platform with multi-tasking, file management, etc. Running applications that aren't designed for a multi-touch interface is just stupid. No one wants that. That's why tablet PCs have been a failure. ]]>Jan 21st 2010 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
I imagine Apple is beefing up iPhone OS to be more of a general purpose platform with multi-tasking, file management, etc. Running applications that aren't designed for a multi-touch interface is just stupid. No one wants that. That's why tablet PCs have been a failure.

You obviously know nothing about tablet PCs.

Tablet PC are a billion-dollar business. They are used in workplaces, offices, schools, factories, and by average people all of the world.

Ok, maybe their main function isnt to play multimedia from iTunes or read NY Times articles, but you know, they do those perfectly fine, with or without multi-touch or pretty transition animations. Seriously, what are you going to do with multi-touch other than pinch zoom anyway?

I have one, I run anything I want, and you know what the dirty little secret is?

99.9% of existing applications run perfectly fine.

Photoshop/Gimp/PSP
Google Maps
Firefox
VLC

And after mapping hardware buttons to it, I can also play some game emulators.

The problem is that too many Apple folks have no clue what tablet PCs are about, likely because they never even seen one, even more likely because they need to just plain trash them so as to make Apple's internet appliance seem like the great savor of a bunch of "failures".]]>Jan 21st 2010 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/The same could have been said about smartphones before the iPhone came out, though. I had Palm, WinMo, BBerry devices and enjoyed using them. You can install whatever you wanted on them, etc. But the iPhone came out and now the market for smartphones REALLY took off and became something EVERYONE lusted for, not just geeks. Apple isn't here to sell devices to geeks and nerds. They're here to sell them to every day average people that want to be hip and cool and promote an image, while still doing a very good job at it. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better. I'm sure Apple would rather lose the 3% of the market that is tech nerds, and pick up the 97% that is regular people that just want a device that works without them having to do anything than click Go.]]>Jan 21st 2010 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/apple-rumor-roundup-pipe-dreams-cloud-storage-and-verizons-ip/
But see here is the issue. What is this suppose to be then?

Is this a tablet PC or is it a large iPod touch?

If it is a larger iPod touch, with all of the locked-down goodness that people apparently know and love, then that is what it is.

However, what I getting from articles and from fanatics is that "OMG this gonna totally own those crap tablet PCs because this is innovative and revolutionary", when all it seems to be is a paid content delivery and storage appliance. Great if you dreamed of buying a subscription to Time magazine to read on an LCD screen, or need to yank out a 700.00 device to check the weather, but as far as being this "revolution"? I've yet to see what the revolution is or how Tablet PCs, that are the realm of "geeks and nerds", even though it runs exactly the same as a desktop, are somehow been deemed completely inadequate.






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