http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/ Engadget Comments for ARM-based processors to overtake x86 competition in netbooks and MIDs by 2013? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
I'm ALL FOR IT!]]>Jan 22nd 2010 5:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
it's not competition to microsoft as microsoft have windows ce, windows mobile and ... zune]]>Jan 22nd 2010 7:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 7:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
I hope so.

But let's face it... these 3-year "predictions" must be taken with a grain of salt. Three years ago, Apple had just announced the iPhone... who back then had a clue where hardware would stand today?]]>Jan 22nd 2010 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
how long have linux users been saying that it would take over?

How long has it had a < 3% market share since it came out?

(Answer to both is, since it came out 20 years ago)]]>Jan 22nd 2010 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
May the Best technology win, all hail the End User!]]>Jan 22nd 2010 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Isn't Intel a major code contributor to Linux? Or do you still think that Linux is done by "thousands of enthusiasts" in their free time? ]]>Apr 14th 2010 12:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Apr 14th 2010 12:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 5:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
Many of these arm devices use linux, and if consumers starrt to get used to linux more will eventually end up at the desktop too. And then there's no more wintel lockdown of the market, the worst nightmare of intel and microsoft.
]]>Jan 22nd 2010 6:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
a) That Microsoft won't release an ARM-optimised version of Windows if ARM-based devices do take off

b) That anyone is really interested in Linux-based computing.]]>Jan 22nd 2010 6:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
Well 95% of people won't know how to use linux until it gets rid of all that terminal stuff so i hope Microsoft makes something like Windows 7 for ARM]]>Jan 22nd 2010 6:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
Microsoft could quite happily develop a version of mainstream windows that ran on ARM. After all, the NT kernel has already got several different versions: x86, x86-64, IA64 (Itanium), PowerPC (XBox360) and there was even a version for the DEC Alpha.

The main problem is that every single app and driver which runs today on Windows would need to be re-compiled and re-tested for an ARM version... so there's not really a huge advantage to them doing this because you still wouldn't get all that you get with the Wintel ecosystem.

People want Windows / x86 because they can plug their MP3 player, printer, scanner and everything else in and there will be drivers for it, and all their applications will work (iTunes, games, web plugins, MS Office, security for business environments, etc).

They won't get that with ARM even if MS port Windows 8 across without some kind of new emulation layer, which would run pretty badly and then you'd be better off just sticking with an Atom.]]>Jan 22nd 2010 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/You forgot about Apple. SL only runs on x86 machines.]]>Jan 22nd 2010 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
Netbooks are a really good starting point for linux as they are going to have standard hardware, and mp3 players etc have been used with linux for years.

The wintel lockdown is partly customer, partly hardware/software manufacturers. OSX is at about 5% marketshare, linux 1%. If linux starts to get to the same numbers as OSX there will be more support for it from industry. And with more support more people will start to use it.

Microsoft wont probably make a linux version from Office, unless forced to by antitrust laws, but many other programs do. Mostly engineering related but they show that wintel lockdown isn't unbreakable. If there's demand industry will start to support linux.]]>Jan 22nd 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
I'm going to go by the 1.83Billion people that use the internet

of those

1 628 700 000 use windows
183 000 000 use mac
18 300 000 use linux AND other platforms.

If you see the disparity in those numbers you can see the zero profitability that there is in linux as an OS platform.

People hate changes, windows works, why switch?]]>Jan 22nd 2010 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 12:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/ People hate changes, windows works, why switch?

Windows doesn't work. It is just perceived as the only option, primarily due to long time market dominance (since MS-DOS) and hyped up fears about "compatability".

New gadgets are developed. Old monopolies force change on their customers. Old monopolies continue to make the same mistakes as if they are immune from competitive pressures.

]]>Jan 22nd 2010 12:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 6:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 6:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
Ummm, you guys know that NVIDIA's headquarters is in Santa Clara, on the San Tomas Expressway none the less (San Tomas Expressway becomes Montague Expressway when you cross US-101, and Intel is right off the Montague Expressway). They're only about a mile apart.

And, of course, AMD is only about a mile away in Sunnyvale.

Now, ARM is in the UK, but they don't actually design ICs. All of the ARM-based CPUs and SOCs you see are designed by other companies (like Samsung, TI, or Qualcomm) based on ARM IP. In some cases (like the TI OMAP3) the core design is licensed from ARM and the designer adds other features like graphics and wireless; in others (like the Qualcomm Snapdragon) the core design is actually done by someone other than ARM (but still based on ARM IP).

Atom still can't match the ultra-low power consumption of ARM, but for many applications it doesn't have to. If Intel can get Atom's power consumption down to (for example) 0.5W, then the power consumption of the LCD and wireless (in a netbook or larger tablet) is large enough that moving to a 100mW ARM doesn't really improve battery life much. Amdahl's law basically says that the best improvement you can get in performance (battery life) is limited (to a large extent) by the component that takes the most time (uses the most power).

Now, if e-Ink or OLED displays (or another technology) can lower display power consumption, or if Intel is unable to lower power consumption on Atom further, ARM could have a field day in the netbook space. But that's not at all a sure thing.

What's more certain is that Atom isn't anywhere near competitive in the smartphone space, at least for now.]]>Jan 22nd 2010 6:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
A netbook with a x86 chip is a small netbook.

and

A netbook with a Arm is just a big pocketpc.

]]>Jan 22nd 2010 6:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 6:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/
2010 now.
2011 will happens some stuff.
2012 end of the world.
2013 void.
]]>Jan 22nd 2010 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 8:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://xkcd.com/605/]]>Jan 22nd 2010 9:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/maybe this can happen performance wise but what about software wise.
"Doing a lot of things" with an MID will never stand a chance against "Playing real pc games or real pc apps" on an MID.]]>Jan 22nd 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 22nd 2010 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/arm-based-processors-to-overtake-x86-competition-in-netbooks-and/Jan 24th 2010 12:22AM