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To store my porn on.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 2:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/You need more than this.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 3:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/TAPE! Epic. ]]>Jan 23rd 2010 3:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/I wonder how many macbooks you'll have to sign to get that tape]]>Jan 23rd 2010 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
lol;) Remeber this, once anybody brings a magnet close to a tape drive all recorded info is gone almost instantly!;)))) ]]>Jan 24th 2010 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 2:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
Seriously? Why did you have to bring political bias into this?]]>Jan 23rd 2010 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/ equivalent of SDXC space per square inch... then what will all these companies and goverments do about the switchover?]]>Jan 23rd 2010 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 2:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
Not as fast as my Monster Cables. ]]>Jan 23rd 2010 3:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/the 800gb/1.6tb tapes that are around today get sustained reads and writes of around 120mb/s

]]>Jan 23rd 2010 3:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/average access times are around a minute. obviously its for backup, not for an os drive.

*also: it seems like they can actually hit about 240mb/s for the top end tapes*

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I don't know whether to down-rank you for mentioning Monster Cable on Engadget or laugh because its tru]]>Jan 23rd 2010 5:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/

its funny how your comment is the only usefully one, but it doesn't get ranked up...(the others were funny, and appreciated aswell, but it's funny how the only one who answers my question doesn't get ranked up.._]]>Jan 24th 2010 9:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 2:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
First, doesn't tape, even if digitally encoded, deteriorate over time? Like if you watch the same VHS over and over again over time the quality deteriorates, isn't this the case here?

And second, how exactly is data accessed quickly? If you have to access a piece of information at the beginning of the tape won't you have to rewind and then fastforward to access another bit, etc...? I mean, talk about lag haha. How did they solve this?]]>Jan 23rd 2010 2:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
an example is fermilab.

http://www.isgtw.org/images/2008/tape_robot.jpg

It is actually quite a bit faster than a harddrive. plus scientist plan how they put stuff on tapes so they wont have to go back and forth between end and beginning of tapes. ]]>Jan 23rd 2010 3:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/You will find the same in the CERN. In Tier 0 all the data is kept in tapes for long time storage and hard drives are used only as a cache.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 4:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
- au contraire, i hear that plastic lasts for >1K years. in general do not compare consumer grade product with something specifically designed to last for ages.

- lag time doesn't matter for archive application. if you need to save dozens terabytes of information, tapes are still most cost effective solution. and companies for some types of information have legal obligations to preserve the information. likewise in scientific field researchers want to preserve as much as possible raw information from an experiment for as long as possible as cheap as possible.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 6:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
Consumer level magnetic tape (such as VHS) doesn't really compare to this stuff. A better comparison would be the old school 1" VPR magnetic tape reels. I worked with movies on those tapes that were 50+ years old and still in excellent condition. Magnetic tape typically lasts longer for long term storage compared to other medium.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 6:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 2:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/And it's nice for future protesters that some acetone can foil the supreme fascist council's eugenic plans somewhat.
]]>Jan 23rd 2010 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Shudder It also bothers me that my children will probably never buy a CD in their teens, and that they'll laugh at my collection the way I laughed at my mom's vinyls and 8 tracks.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 2:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 3:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
Even if you can burn a CD-R for a penny, if you have 8TB of data to backup, you're going to have to use 12,000 of them. Inserting them, ejecting them and storing them will be a huge hassle, even if the discs themselves are dirt cheap.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 3:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
the problem is that CD/DVD media are targeted at normal consumers, they are not made to last for any prolonged period of time.

Verbatim is pretty much only company which tries to advertise enhancements like "AZO layer" claiming that recorded disk would last ~100 years.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 6:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
So my point still stands, it isn't just about price per byte. The value of these tape systems is not limited by the price/byte compared to the cheapest media out there.

Backup media is purchased based upon other attributes than price/byte. That's all I'm saying.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 3:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
I need to go to sleep]]>Jan 23rd 2010 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 3:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 3:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
Great, all we need is something from Fallout 3 to actually be feasible. I guess I'm actually going to have to invest in a fallout shelter after all.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 3:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 3:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
Tape..c'mon, looks as durable as Paris and Nikki's panties]]>Jan 23rd 2010 3:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 4:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 4:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 4:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
These things are slow, they are not random access and even though this one is probably directory device getting a single file off one will take minutes and not seconds, the usefullness as a professional backup device is massive.

I just hope that they make the readers available for many, many decades since non-availability of readers would cause all the data to be lost.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 4:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
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I really doubt these tapes are practical on the consumer level.

But it is important to note that single layer Blu-Ray only holds 25GB; that means that each of these tapes could hold 1,400 Blu-Ray movies!]]>Jan 23rd 2010 7:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/> that's pretty cool, as long as you don't want to skip to that cool fight scene in chap 7 of the 1358th movie!]]>Jan 23rd 2010 7:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
Imagine getting one of those tapes from Netflix in the mail with 1,400 movies on it! Thats like entire Netflix library.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/
Unlikely D VHS Tapes which where aimed at consumers, could store 50GB of data and play 1080p video failed to be a success in the late 90s when DVD was announced

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-VHS]]>Jan 23rd 2010 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 7:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/Jan 23rd 2010 8:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/ibm-and-fujifilm-develop-35tb-magnetic-tape-cartridges-unveil-i/So what if he is a creationist, would that make him a less credible author for a technology blog? Does this man's beliefs have anything to do with the production, usage, research, or relevance of magnetic tapes? I mean, while the author may have used the word poorly, the debate about evolution vs. creationism is irrelevant here.]]>Jan 23rd 2010 11:50PM