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I am more interested in Western countries and the smartphone war. Here I think Nokia will struggle against the one two punch of Android and iPhone.]]>Jan 26th 2010 6:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Just wait till Symbian 3 on March , it will be in a whole different level compared to the current S60 v5.]]>Jan 26th 2010 6:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 6:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
It's all about the new Symbian Foundation OS(most of all Symbian^3 and Symbian^4) if they get those right they will be in very strong position. Symbian^4 will have the same app base that Maemo 6 got as they both are using full Qt platform.]]>Jan 26th 2010 6:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Symbian is a great operating system, at least on non touch phones. While even on touch phones like the 5800 and N97 it's powerful, its implementation is flawed. Symbian^x should fix these problems, and I'm pretty excited to see how they improve it.]]>Jan 26th 2010 6:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 7:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
The thing is that not everything is that intuitive and fun to do with Symbian, but many old Symbian users who came to check Maemo or Android have noticed that while it's more fun it just can't yet do it all.

This is exactly what i think Symbian fans are eagerly waiting to change in Symbian Foundations Symbian^3 and Symbian^4.]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/I'm waiting to see how this shapes up too. Most important in this seems to be how Qt will be utilized and whether or not it will end up being truly cross platform - which it's not yet. If/when that happens it should be a big deal for Symbian/Maemo and I'll be interested to see what (if any) effect this has on KDE/desktop Linux and how much cross pollination goes on there. I'm not going to hold my breath that this is going to be revolutionary - there's been too many times when Nokia/open source business has had the opportunity for this type of breakthrough and hasn't made it. But they're clearly invested and they're huge. IF they can get this right it will be a big deal.]]>Jan 26th 2010 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
The thing is, my current phone has 3G, WiFi, a 5MP camera with flash, GPS with Nokia Maps and Google Maps, a decent native browser and full flash with Skyfire, e-buddy for instant messaging, 30fps video, a 3.5mm headphone/tv out jack, FM radio, a reasonably good music player, RealPlayer and a DivX player for video as well as being an excellent phone.

I like having a physical keypad, so a fully touchscreen phone isn't that important to me. I don't follow anyone on Twitter, and I only visit FB once or twice a week, so while the contact integration is an excellent feature, it's not enough for me to fork out the cash. All told, I'm still waiting for a phone that will be irresistible enough for me to dump my trusty N95.]]>Jan 26th 2010 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 9:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
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In Q4 of 2009 in Western Europe Nokia had 10% of the smartphone market in Europe, while Apple had 78% and Android had 10%. Nokia doesn't have 60% of the smartphone market in Europe, or anywhere else developed anymore. And if they don't get their act together soon, at the rate they're falling, they'll be selling only cheap handsets in the developing world pretty soon.]]>Jan 27th 2010 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Nokia has one of the largest R&D departments in the world, and aside from v5, S60 has always been a pretty damn rugged OS, in terms of raw usability and power.

I think if Nokia concentrate on countries and markets where their phones are actually appreciated (i.e Everywhere but the US), they'll keep afloat just fine.

As for Android, they've hit what might be called the sweet spot: a combination of robust, user-friendly OS, and MASSIVE range of hardware and worldwide carriers. It's not hard to see them overtaking Apple (with only one hardware config), Palm (with only 2 - four if you count the Plus models) and WinMo (large range of HW, but in terms of mindshare, the OS bombs).]]>Jan 26th 2010 6:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
I don't think Android is going to be any kind of the break-out hit like everyone wants to think it will be. They have had models out for over a year now, have multiple models out and on multiple carriers plus Google direct and yet they have sold what? maybe 5 million handsets combined so far in the first year.

I'm a Verizon customer and use a WM6 Samsung Omnia and was going to get the Droid when it came out. One of my relatives got one and after playing with it a few times and with his opinion weighing in, I have decided to skip it and stick with my phone (and I hate WM6 btw and have to use the WAD 2 ui just to be happy with my phone) unitl something better comes out. Maybe a Pre + or a future Android phone that does it right or maybe even a iPhone v4 if it ever reaches Verizon. ]]>Jan 26th 2010 9:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Verizon ( Available for ~3 months
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T-Mobile (Available for ~ 15 months)]]>Jan 26th 2010 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 27th 2010 1:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 6:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Agreed. But I think you can pretty much rule that one out. This article is just asking for an OS flame war...]]>Jan 26th 2010 10:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
wow, those words. Coming from engadget. Just wow.]]>Jan 26th 2010 6:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 7:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
analyst-grade industry forecast : take with healthy dose of skepticism

tablet rumor #4589349 : take with excitement and joy]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 6:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/True, exciting times. Oh the joy for us!
Now back to the cave->]]>Jan 26th 2010 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
All of this doesn't give you much confidence to buy a Windows Mobile phone.]]>Jan 26th 2010 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
"just as Microsoft's previous Zune phones failed to sell"

Really?!? My God!!!! They failed to sell a product that doesn't exist?!?! This is unpossible!!!!!!!]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Lol zune phone?

U must have pulled that out of your anus, pal.]]>Jan 26th 2010 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 6:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
S60 is a POS, and I've had it on the E71, the N95, the E63, 6120 Classic, N73, and a couple of others I've forgotten, and I've never enjoyed using it on any of them. I was overjoyed the day I bought my iPhone, and I've never looked back.

Nokia can have the crap mass low-end market, but it doesn't bring them the profits they seek, and they'll struggle as phone manufacturers shift from S60 to Android in the low to medium end, not to mention the high-end...]]>Jan 26th 2010 6:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Everything you said points to you not having a clue about that which you discuss.]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Are different markts... The low-end is a big market, and not everyone is willing to spent much money for a phone.]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Let me know when you've got something to add to the discussion.]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 7:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
It's not like we are heading to a one brand telecommunications industry, where all phones are brand X. And the world aint one big high-end US market either.

Be happy that we have a lot of choices.]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Last year E71(430 euros), 5800(320euros) and N97(500-700 euros) where the most sold symbian phones.
N95 was with it's 22 million sold 800 euros for the first 1/2 year.

All that said you are partly right and it will all be decided with Symbian Foundation how will Symbian will keep going. It will be only mid end 200-400 euros price while in Nokia's portfolio Maemo will take the high end place.]]>Jan 26th 2010 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
So you've bought 6 phones in 2 years, 5 Nokias and iphone in 2009? I smell a rat.... all those Nokia phones you have mentioned have come out to market in a 2 year period.

Somebody trying to boost they credibility by making incredible claims....]]>Jan 26th 2010 10:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Well first, the Nokia N95 outsold the iPhone during their parallel existence. So you're wrong there.

Then there's the dubious claim of having owned several Nokia phones that are pretty recent, yet extolling the virtues of the iPhone having apparently JUST bought it. IT basically smells like bullshit. That and you've conveniently missed out WHAT the Nokia phones you're talking about are actually missing...mostly because you'd be told how wrong you are but there you go...it's what you get for bullshit claims.]]>Jan 26th 2010 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/I too have to say, I think you're underestimating the power of the low-end market. A friend of mine was eligible for an upgrade with Sprint just recently. He's coming from a Palm Treo. I suggested the Palm Pre to him because of the nice low price. He instead opted for an older Blackberry model because it was only about $20 from Walmart.

There are a lot of people like that, who just don't have the funds to shell out $150+ on a phone. I know us tech geeks hate to admit it but to most of the world that's all they are. Just phones. Today, most people only care that it can call, text, take pictures and play their music. A browser isn't even a necessity, really.]]>Jan 26th 2010 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
I bought the N97 myself, I upgraded to the N95 on a new plan. The e63 was a work phone, then the slider on my N95 died twice (replaced once, bought 6120 while I waited for warranty). I then bought an iPhone 3G 16GB when they were released in Australia, and it fell out of my pocket playing basketball, so while my telco took 30 days to replace it, I was given an E71 in the interim. Throw in a few others, and there's a lifestory. Any more questions, or are you busy smelling rats?]]>Jan 26th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
But it still gets the job done]]>Jan 26th 2010 6:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Exactly what I said. As I do maintain, I have the cash ready, as soon as a North American 3G unlocked Palm Pre Plus shows up, the cash is Palm's. Just stop the carrier exclusivity already.]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
i've owned 2 symbian phones (e70 & e71) for about half a year and fiddled around with an n95 quite a bit and i can't believe what a mess the ui is
i can never find anything i'm looking for - alarm clock being categorized under "office" is a particularly ridiculous example i can still remember]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
Agreed. Menu is not user friendly.

Thats why i just put a shortcut on the active standby screen]]>Jan 26th 2010 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
You know you can move the icons and menu items and pretty much organise it in any way you see fit?]]>Jan 26th 2010 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
You can have your opinion about Symbian but dismissing every report by whatever analyst, while giving all the credit (and sheering) for analysis that suggest Apple/Android domination, is kinda too much.

Dunno if this is more a personal opinion about Americans trying not to acknowledge the existence of other countries, and their purchase power combined, or more a non-sense hate of whatever that is built/maintained by Nokia(foreign company).

Just time will tell... ]]>Jan 26th 2010 7:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/Jan 26th 2010 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/idc-symbian-should-keep-dominating-the-market-android-to-take/
If you are talking about the UI, yes it stalled a long time ago and it looks dreadful. Much needed changes are coming this year.

But if you are talking about the OS you are,oh, so very wrong.
Take a look at this:
http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Symbian%5E3
http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Symbian%5E4

Maybe you will stop repeating what Engadget tells you and see for yourself that Symbian it is FAR from a stalled platform.]]>Jan 26th 2010 8:46AM