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While it may be cheaper for them to produce, I don't believe us (the consumers) will be seeing that same ratio of cost-savings roll over to our side of the mountain. ]]>Jan 30th 2010 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
We may not see quite the savings they are, but I would assume that after the first couple months, you'd see a drastic price drop. I would think (as an average consumer) that you would see a slight price spike to cover the costs of re tooling/R&D, and then after they've recouped some if not all of the cost, then the price will drop and become an (what I think is referred to as) economy of scale.]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
Do you really think companies pay off R&D during first month? It's almost always calculated for the life of product. If there is any initial spike in some products, then it's almost always due demand (there are crazy people who pay 2x more for Dell adamo right when it's released), it's never to try to cover R&D cost]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
They do try to cover their investment as fast as possible, but not within the first month. Usually it takes from 3-6 months. the rest productions, removing COGS, is more or less pure profit.

Demand and supply drives prices up and down when there is no drastic changes in the economies.]]>Jan 30th 2010 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
SSDs are awesome.. the biggest game changing performance upgrade in like forever, they were worth their premium for the gains you got, but now everyone will soon get to join in.

/me takes off cpt. obvious hat :3.]]>Jan 30th 2010 8:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
COGS = cost of goods sold, for those who don't know.
Basically how much it costs to acquire an item, so you can then sell it.]]>Jan 30th 2010 9:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
A tech geek without a decent technical understanding is just downright sad...]]>Jan 30th 2010 11:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
And now guess what.. Intel's Clarkdale/arrandale are ready to roll out, this year. More Details: http://bit.ly/arrandale-clarkdale-indepth-details]]>Jan 31st 2010 4:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
Calm down, It's SSD not Adobe :)]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
Why wouldn't they want to be able to sell them cheaper? They could sell more, and familiarize consumers with intel not only as a big name in chip manufacturing, but a big name in storage also.]]>Jan 30th 2010 2:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
Or, you could think of it logically - it's twice the storage for the same money. Basically, a 50% price drop. ]]>Jan 30th 2010 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
This is why we need manufacturer competition.
More competition = FTW for customers.]]>Jan 30th 2010 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 9:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/but, you still have the large upfront cost,
show me a 512GB SSD for like $100.00 CDN, and im in... otherwise, i'll wait, and wait, and wait.]]>Jan 31st 2010 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/

Still a far shot from HDD prices then, but at least there is progress.


So when are 25nm processors coming along?]]>Jan 30th 2010 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
I can't see Bulldozer being a 22nm part. If that's what you meant?]]>Jan 30th 2010 11:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 31st 2010 12:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
That's what she said]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
In physics class. ]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
And she wasn't that pretty.]]>Jan 30th 2010 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/The previous was 34nm. Moving from one technology node to the next delivers about twice the density. ]]>Jan 30th 2010 6:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
They are MUCH faster and aren't based off of a spinning disk, so they work well in mobile devices like laptops. They are more reliable in the sense that they have far fewer moving parts that could fail, but the memory itself does eventually wear out after it has been written a certain number of times.

The font of all human knowledge, Wikipedia, should have more info if you are curious.]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
I don't know about reliable since flash memory is supposed to have a limited write life, but I know that since there aren't moving parts, they are more durable. They also produce less heat, are lighter, and can have faster reads/writes.]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
That's the only reason i am hesitant to go SSD. It has a much more limited write life than a spinning HDD.]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/SSD drives basically elimiate seek times, like when the disc in an HDD needs to spin up and the read head needs to find and read the data while the disc is spinning. SSDs just read it like RAM memory.]]>Jan 30th 2010 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
I think Intel ssd drives estimate 10,000 cycles a year with a 100,000 life, giving you 10 years. Right now they give you a 3 year warranty, which is standard for all hard-drives.

That life expectancy of 1.2 million hours (MTBF) is hoopla.
Put simply they are comparable to hard-drives in life expectancy, but at less risk, because of no moving parts.]]>Jan 30th 2010 9:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
Yeah, that's what i'm thinking as well, is this the end for Moore's law?]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
If SSDs will eventually contain maybe 512GB or 1TB and they are all in 2.5 inch format with this technology, then they can always scale horizontally and place more disk space in some 3.5 inch drives or more, I would't mind standard 3.5 inch SSDs with several TB.]]>Jan 30th 2010 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/Jan 30th 2010 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/intel-and-micron-start-25nm-flash-production-ssds-to-get-cheap/
It takes competition on performance to drop prices down, like what happened with indillinx and soon hopefully sandforce. Give me the fastest drive possible with just enough capacity to use it for an OS instal (30-40gb) at under $100 and I will give you money.]]>Jan 30th 2010 3:12PM