http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/ Engadget Comments for EROS tablet video is a lesson in why Windows 7 isn't strictly meant for finger navigation http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/They are not Windows 7 table fans, they are Anti-Apple fans, and addicted ones. They have the need to open all Apple related posts and post lovely comments :-)

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No, it doesn't suck. This video is not indicative on the windows 7 touch experience I'm used to on my Latitude XT.]]>Feb 1st 2010 10:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
OP, please change Windows 7 to 'Desktop OSs' because this is just leading to an argument..

there are other factors to consider too, you didnt even mention if it was resistive or capacitive]]>Feb 1st 2010 6:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/

Wait wait wait wait....

isnt that Vista??????]]>Feb 1st 2010 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Yes it is Vista with some Win7 skin. See the loading screen and how programs appear in the taskbar.]]>Feb 1st 2010 6:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Then that means this article is totally INCORRECT, BIASED and MISLEADING.

Windows Vista was never built for touch gestures explaining these issues.

ENGADGET TAKE THIS POST DOWN]]>Feb 1st 2010 6:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 7:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Anyway, this article is still full of SHlT!

This is just one video!!! Why would the author GENERALIZE that Windows 7 is crap in touch gestures? There is no lesson learned here author. Maybe you did learn something, but not me -- if you call this knowledge -- it's so Lame.

]]>Feb 1st 2010 7:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4 The parodies have started flying]]>Feb 2nd 2010 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
This whole touch tablet thing never made that much sense to me.... I get a tablet to write on, and I want a stylus. Its nice to have touch as a back up to flip through a PDF when you don't want to whip out the stylus or whatever... but I much prefer a finger friendly interface that is geared primarily at stylus users.

PS...one note sucks...and is a major reason why I've not bothered to upgrade my tablet in a long time... tablet software is weak across the board.]]>Feb 2nd 2010 4:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Mirror?]]>Feb 1st 2010 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Blocked in the UK]]>Feb 2nd 2010 4:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
I think the post is really targeted as desktop OS's not being best suited for touchscreen input. Windows 7 happens to make it to more touchscreen prototypes than OS X and I think we all know why.

It's really the bigger picture here, not Windows bashing.]]>Feb 1st 2010 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
So why did they write Windows 7 in the headline, then?

Engadget are a bunch of Apple lemmings.]]>Feb 1st 2010 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
solution? try a BS article about why a real operating system is a bad thing.
]]>Feb 1st 2010 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Happens all the time. Have you vever seen anyone type on an iPhone.

Well if your not going to specify “Mac” before “OS X”, then what sort of reply do you expect!]]>Feb 1st 2010 6:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Regular OS's don't feel fluid on tablets. Windows really needs a tablet edition that is not just a rehash of a desktop OS. iPhone's OS isn't the answer either although I will admit that the iPads/iPhone's interface might be a set in the right direction in terms of just touching though apps.

Nobody is doing this right.]]>Feb 1st 2010 6:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
That's why Apple made a *variation* of OSX for their smaller form-factor devices.... it's called iPhoneOS. They took the underpinnings of OSX and created a new touch-centric OS.

They did not, however, take their desktop OSX and cram it into a tablet... like the HP Slate or this EROS tablet that runs Windows 7.

Both Apple and Microsoft are pretty innovative with their OSes. Apple has OSX and iPhoneOS.... and Microsoft has Windows 7 and Windows Mobile.

But, as always, the shortcomings are revealed when you try to put a desktop OS on a smaller, mobile device.

So, you're right.... OSX probably wouldn't be too great on a tablet. But, Apple's thought of that... and that's why they created an additional OS for touch devices.

I'd love to know how much time was spent creating this EROS tablet or the HP Slate. Clearly, those companies focused on the hardware... but then they relied on Microsoft to supply the OS. And that video is an example of why that isn't always a great idea.

Android is already making its way into all sorts of devices. I'd rather see Microsoft introduce a beefed-up version of Windows Mobile for these small devices... instead of full-blown Windows 7 on a netbook-based tablet.]]>Feb 1st 2010 6:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
I'd loooove to know on what grounds you're making these assertions. I take it you've actually used Windows 7 on a multitouch device, and you're basing your opinions on that.

Certainly you're not judging from the 30 seconds of touch showcased here, on a resistive touchscreen no less.]]>Feb 1st 2010 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Oh you're right... I've never used Windows 7 on a nice, responsive, multitouch tablet.

But, I still believe in the *idea* of creating a specifically designed OS for a multitouch environment... vs. putting a copy of Windows 7 on a keyboardless netbook.

We all saw how the iPad works and how responsive it was. In fact, it's probably gonna run similarly to the 50 million iPhones/iPod Touches out in the world. Apple has already had this stuff in production for the last 3 years.

Fast forward to today... how much collaboration was there between these other tablet manufacturers and Microsoft? Or did they just chop the keyboard off of a netbook and rush it out the door? All we've seen from them is a 15 second teaser videoclip from HP and Steve Ballmer holding a prototype.

BTW, I'm still using XP on a custom-built desktop, and I probably have no use for a tablet... but thanks for the spirited conversation.]]>Feb 1st 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
and you would have a point if Apple had tried to use OS X on a tablet. Using a desktop operating system with almost every application assuming keyboard and mouse for a tablet is not going to work in my opinion. XP Tablet Edition, Win 7, OS X, Linux are all going to be inferior to iPhone OS and Android unless they make huge UI changes.]]>Feb 1st 2010 9:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/You get even more shortcomings when you put a smartphone os onto a tablet.]]>Feb 1st 2010 9:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Define tablet:

The old 2000's era devices running Windows XP Tablet PC Edition with limited user appeal....

Or Apple's new device, building on the success of the iPhone and iPod Touch...

]]>Feb 1st 2010 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
You are correct but not for the reason you think.

I will let you in on a secret OS X and iPhone OS share many components but the UI layers are different because the way the user interfaces with the software are different. SIMPLE !

I am amazed that most poster don't have the slightest clue how difficult and time consuming it is to develop great UI]]>Feb 2nd 2010 1:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 5:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Like all the previous Windows-based tablets that have been flying off the shelves all this time?

Look... I get it. The iPad, iPod Touch and the iPhone aren't true replacements for desktops or laptops. But, they are pretty good at what they do.

If you want a keyboard-less netbook that runs Windows 7... go get this EROS tablet or the HP Slate. Have fun with that :)]]>Feb 1st 2010 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 2nd 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/This Windows crap-blet runs about as fast as frozen molasses. You could do in a minute on an iPad what this guy took five minutes to do and with a stupid stylus. He thinks running the video at double speed is gonna fool anyone into thinking that tablet is fast. No chance.

The music sucked but that tablet was much worse.

Definitely a major FAIL.]]>Feb 2nd 2010 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/It just doesn't do what *you* think it is intended to do.
Please just go buy this China tablet and become lucky.]]>Feb 4th 2010 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
i don't know guys, but it looks to me that if you can't use the interface with your fingers even after the increasing the display size in settings to 150% then might actually have some issues with your dexterity

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5835/displayoptions.jpg]]>Feb 1st 2010 10:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Feb 1st 2010 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Windows 7 and the core apps are actually designed for (multi)touch. The UI actually changes (higher dpis, greater spacing, larger targets) and the screen recognizes gestures when you use touch. With the many of 3rd party apps already on Windows many of these features are not fully developed, but future apps will take this into account.

More info on touch in Windows 7:
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/03/25/touching-windows-7.aspx

That said, I think the screen technology does make a difference, and resistive is probbaly not suited to touch typing with the pads of your fingers.]]>Feb 1st 2010 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
It doesn't seem to be tweaked enough. End. ]]>Feb 1st 2010 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Yeah I hear that a lot. Anything constructive to add? Have you actually used the technology and have some constructive suggestions on what could be changed to make the touch experience better?

Or are you just dismissing something out of ignorance?
]]>Feb 1st 2010 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
If you look closely, that is a reskinned and likely hacked version of Vista. Boot screen, system icons, elongated program icons in the taskbar, and quick start icons on the left - along with all the interface details are Vista. This isn't close to a legitimate version Windows 7 or its touch capabilities.]]>Feb 1st 2010 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
do you?

Ignorantly calling me ignorant doesn't make you win. ]]>Feb 1st 2010 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/Only you've called yourself ignorant.

That, before, was just a question where you could have simply replied 'no, I'm not an idiot' to.]]>Feb 1st 2010 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
I'm not the one who made an unsupported claim.]]>Feb 1st 2010 10:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Were playing the game of symantics now. I took his question as rhetoric as I'm sure it was.

Can't we all agree that there hasn't been a sufficient full os tablet yet???? I think so, you don't always have to look for a fight. ]]>Feb 1st 2010 11:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
No. My opinion as someone who has used windows 7 on a great touch screen device is that it is sufficient for my needs.

Your opinion as someone who as not used windows 7 on a touch screen device is that it is insufficient.

Why is your opinion valid again? Or I wrong: you have used windows 7 on a touch screen device, and you have some reason why it's insufficient instead of dismissing it outright.]]>Feb 1st 2010 11:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
I've used an HP touchsmart with windows 7 and quickly reverted to the mouse. Its just not polished enough yet. When I have to hit the screen two to three times because the buttons are too small or non responsive I'm not happy. I've never used windows 7 on a tablet but I can GUARANTEE with diminished processing ability and resistive screen it would be a nightmare, unless it was all meant to work together. which its not. ]]>Feb 1st 2010 11:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
See, was that so hard?

For what it's worth, as far as I know the HP TouchSmarts use an optical detection method to enable the touch screen, and aren't as accurate as a capacitive display you would find on most tablets these days.]]>Feb 2nd 2010 12:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/eros-tablet-video-is-a-lesson-in-why-windows-7-isnt-strictly-me/
Once you increase the UI elements to finger-friendly, easy to use size for your fingers, you have the power of a desktop OS along with your favorite desktop apps in an easy to use, finger-friendly, famliar interface.]]>Feb 2nd 2010 3:25AM