http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/ Engadget Comments for New lithium-ion battery could last 20 years, long after you've broken the devices they once powered http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
looks VERY promising =D]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
Too bad they're aimed at electric scooters for now. I'm no cripple! I want this to power my laptop!]]>Feb 5th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
They should put these in cars, not scooters. Imagine a car with a 300000 mile warranty. I couldn't say that thats what the battery would be rated for (because i don't know the capacity and i couldn't tell you) but it would be significant. ]]>Feb 5th 2010 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/What use would it be in your laptop if by the time you're ready to get a new laptop you'll be getting one that uses a completely different battery? Would be a lot more useful if all laptops used the same mold for making batteries. Or at the very least, if all manufacturers decided to keep the same shape for their batteries.]]>Feb 6th 2010 2:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
Exactly what i was thinking, selling a battery that lasts 20 years would mean that the buyer wouldn't have to buy batteries for a very very long time, it makes no sense for battery companies to sell something like this.

Capitalism FTW :)]]>Feb 6th 2010 4:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
When compared to the marketplace conception of what a battery is and how it is used, but i think the fact that its debuting in a transportation device is very revealing.

Cars and motor scooters with internal combustion engines can last twenty years (or more). Parts may need to be replaced, but usually they don't need a new gas tank every five years. With this new advance one of the impediments to electrified transportation has been removed (possibly)



]]>Feb 6th 2010 7:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 6th 2010 11:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Why?]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/With old alklines they used to last longer when you store them in a cold environment. Its a joke.]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Lithium Ion cells actually do deteriorate slower in lower temperatures. You just get very low capacity if you discharge them at low temperature.]]>Feb 5th 2010 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
The only danger is that most modern multi-cell Li-ions and Li-polymer batteries have built-in charge protection circuitry that can be damaged by condensation in high-humidity low-temperature environments like refrigerators.]]>Feb 5th 2010 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
Darn you Canada!]]>Feb 5th 2010 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
dude thats exactly what i thought]]>Feb 5th 2010 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
Same thought here. But imagine how sad it would be after 20 years, your battery died. After all that love.]]>Feb 5th 2010 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
There are batteries that last for 20 years, thing is they are primary, and not rechargeable, and this lifespan is achieved only under specific circumstances. Lithium-Thyonilchloride batteries have been proven to last 20 years in low-drain applications. A 10 Ah battery, for example, used in a beacon that draws a few miliamps every second, can do that. Totally unusable for a laptop or mobile phone, but nonetheless. Check Radiran Batteries, they makse those.]]>Feb 5th 2010 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 6th 2010 11:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
I read the POST, as did everyone else, thank you. Yet every third comment states that people thought this is a battery that would last 20 years on a single charge. Did you happen to read those comments? I was just saying that this is impossible for a rechargeable battery, but there are primary batteries that do that. And to ensure that nobody would tell me this is different, i EXPLICITLY stated it is inapplicable for laptops and mobile devices. It seems that didn't prevent YOU from stating the obvious. ]]>Feb 8th 2010 7:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Yeah I see this being a big deal in the car industry where their products often last 20 years.]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
I think we (at least I) hear about carbon nanotube batteries about 5 years ago - instant charge, nearly infinite recharges - I can't find them at Target. Same with so many other lithium impregnated fiber batteries, hydrogen cell batteries...

And what is with Toyota using nearly the same batteries in the Prius for a decade!?! They are finally moving to LiPo batteries?

When my cell phone can last for 2 full days I'll be thrilled. Right now I get about 8-10 hours with minimal calling no real browsing but lots of e-mail receives not many replies.]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
Ahhh, I remember the good ol' days of Nokia. I could go a week or two without charging it. ]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
If it were possible, then someone else would have discovered it as well, and when they ran up against an Oil companies IP, they would have blabbed to everyone about it.

Until I see proof that the Oil companies actually have any of these IP's and are surpressing them, I just don't believe it, and neither should anyone else without proof.]]>Feb 5th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
Compare ICE technological advances in the last decade to electric (batteries and motors), and you'll see the latter is hugely outpacing combustion engine advances.

Precharged and low discharging NIMH batteries are commonplace now, and NIMH recycling technology is fantastic, becoming so cheap that the nickel recovered from recycling more than pays for the entire recycling process.

Lithium polymer batteries are also common, and have advanced in not only capacity but discharge rates, and yes A123 batteries has developed and is marketing the nano-tech designs and they are already available in Black&Decker devices and shortly in car packs.

It takes time, yes, but its still moving very fast.]]>Feb 5th 2010 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.exxonmobil.com/corporate/news_features_20080123_electrovaya.aspx

Exxon is actively involved in Lithium Battery R&D, Patent Filing and other related technologies. I can only point you to the truth, if you open your eyes or not is your choice! ]]>Feb 5th 2010 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Two things from Wikipedia

1.)"The "invented NiMH variation" of Ovonics consisted in special alloys with disordered alloy structure and specific multicomponent alloy compositions. Unfortunately linked to their composition, calendar and cycle life of such alloys always remain very low, and all NiMH batteries manufactured at present time in the world consist in AB5 type rare earth metal alloys"

and

2.)"On July 14, 2009, the sale of Cobasys to SB LiMotive Co. Ltd., an electric vehicle battery joint venture between Samsung SDI Co. Ltd. and Robert Bosch GmbH, was announced."

So apparently they are and did sell.]]>Feb 5th 2010 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
A123 systems makes some awesome batteries. Stable, powerful, and no sag during a cycle like happens with NiMH batteries. Really some nice cells and a crazy fast drag bike that hold the record for a EV in the quarter mile.]]>Feb 5th 2010 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Your imagination... ]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/They do exist, in space.]]>Feb 5th 2010 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/The main reason people replace their cell phones or mp3 players with new ones is because the old battery went kaput. ]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/]]>Feb 5th 2010 1:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
the more cloud based and wireless I go, the closer to a plug I have to stay.]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
20 years on one charge in rechargeable batteries is currently science-fiction, because of the self discharge of the batteries, not to mention material degradation. And it would only be possible with low drain devices, or immensely huge batteries. Lithium primary batteries OTOH can do that, as I mentioned in another reply.]]>Feb 5th 2010 10:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/Feb 5th 2010 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/
Using a fuel-based battery, like a fuel cell, will have a much higher charge-density. Anyways, a lithium-ion battery that can handle years and year of charging and recharging is great!]]>Feb 5th 2010 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/This is true, but keep in mind that there could be battery technologies to come that we can't even imagine at the moment, and they could be rechargeable ones with very high charge density. And that's not to mention that we keep getting better and better at making device components very energy efficient, so we can still improve on battery life that way.]]>Feb 5th 2010 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/new-lithium-ion-battery-could-last-20-years-long-after-youve-b/You should look up nanowire battery.]]>Feb 5th 2010 12:14PM