http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/ Engadget Comments for Adobe: Flash 10.1 will require 'some enhancements to existing versions of Android' http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Just like being an ass is part of the "full Bobbles experience!"]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
If you really hate it, use ClickToFlash or Flashblock, depending on what browser you use. ]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
I do use ClickToFlash.]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/"That "75% of all online video" is quite a big call"

veoh.com, hulu.com, metacafe.com, megavideo.com and the list goes on.....

And these sites are bigger than vimeo...]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
Engadget also uses a Flash media player I believe...]]>Feb 9th 2010 9:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 9:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
Hello! Yes, of course there are some good uses for Flash at the moment - it's the de facto standard for active content - but, if the main justification that the developers themselves can come up with (in their own video) is that you get all the banner adverts displayed correctly on NatGeo (while sucking the hell out of your battery) then it's tough to see much of a point to it in the long run from our point of view.

What can Flash do that can't be done with a combination of native apps for games / tricky stuff and web / video standards for the rest? All decent mobile platforms already support that approach.

I say this because I was a used to argue big time against friends who recommended Firefox to me back in its early days, claiming to them that IE6 was much better for displaying all that day's websites, but who realised the errors of his ways.

In 2002, I found that IE6 correctly displayed 100% of the websites I visited whereas Firefox failed to render around half of them correctly, despite adhering to all the latest open standards. So, no matter the technical benefits of the "superior" technology, I was losing out as a user!!

But, in the long run, the problem wasn't Firefox... it was IE6. Content providers realised that they were being held back by IE and to support new, open web standards was the only way to go. Eventually they started seeing IE6 as holding them back massively and now we're in a world where the open browser engines are clearly ahead in performance and capability and support 99.999% of websites. Now even Google see IE6 as a liability and are dropping support for it.

In my mind, we're in pretty much exactly the same situation with active content - just replace IE6 with Flash. It's a legacy thing. But you can change one similarity - IE6 on the PC was a known, working entity. Flash on mobile isn't, so could be easier to displace.

For all the criticism of Apple for not supporting Flash out of principle, tell me which manufacturers _currently_ support desktop Flash 10.x on a shipping ARM platform? That's right - none of them. All the criticism is being based on Adobe's claims that Symbian / Android / WinMo will support desktop Flash as some stage in the future. But it does not exist... nobody has tried it to say it's usable or practical.

To me, Flash 10.1 on ARM is, at the moment, sheer vaporware - it's supposed to have been with us for about 6 months already and none of us have it yet.

Even when it does arrive, we now find out it will be limited to only the latest versions of Android, so Droid, X10, G1, Hero will all miss out? Clearly they can't write Flash plugins in Java / Dalvik so they've got to rely on favours from Google.... so any manufacturer who has branched away from the Google source code will now be in real trouble.

Because it's "closed", any manufacturer who wants to use Flash and doesn't just take the off-the-shelf code from Google will have to get into a massive fight with all the other people in the queue to beg Adobe to port it to their products... and then get them to keep updating it as Google move through the versions of Android at a rate of knots. Not fun.

Anyway, the pragmatist in me says "give me Flash now on all my products for compatibility, but with FlashBlock installed for battery life and performance" but, Adobe, you'd better deliver based on the hype you've produced however the long term strategist in me, having learned from IE6, says it slightly less subtley... "F**k IE6, f**k flash!" :)]]>Feb 9th 2010 9:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Dude...novel. Not cool.]]>Feb 9th 2010 10:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
I do have to agree with you on pretty much all of your points. Although Flash is the current standard for "active content", I see it being used in many unnecessary ways. The most recent example I can think of is UPS's "Business Solutions" page. It makes the all of the main content Flash for no reason except for a few image fade-in effects: http://www.ups.com/bussol?loc=en_US&viewID=productView&contentID=ct1_sol_sol_pickup]]>Feb 9th 2010 11:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
Flash ads? WTF are those?

Kaspersky blocks all crap for me!]]>Feb 9th 2010 11:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
At least for me it isn't about flash per se. It's about the websites I visit (or would like to visit) on my phone.]]>Feb 9th 2010 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/2 walls of text got lost in the internet. I agree with you.]]>Feb 10th 2010 12:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 10th 2010 2:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 10th 2010 7:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/True, people keep saying HTML5 will replace Flash for video, but I haven't heard much about all the Flash games that would be lost. You know, the one's Apple won't let you play so you need to buy an app for each one? If Apple thinks it's that important, then Flash must still be useful at least for simple games.]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
agreed

gimme streaming video over games anyday]]>Feb 9th 2010 9:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
Well simple games can be written in HTML5 / CSS3 and will probably perform as well (badly) as Flash games do.

Apple, Google, Palm, Nokia, Microsoft and the other app platform people all allow you to "buy" simple games for the grand cost of $0.

The choice of development platform's irrelevant - if they think you'll pay for their game, they'll charge for it. If they don't they'll give it to you for free, whether as a flash download or a native app but the native apps have huuuuuuge advantages in speed and usability.

I should qualify, though... Flash is going nowhere in the short term - HTML5 cannot replace it while there are no simple development tools like Flash has.]]>Feb 9th 2010 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
But you won't see those in anything but flash until html5 offers some real DRM support. Considering that there isn't even an established video codec standard, I wouldn't hold my breath.

http://gizmodo.com/5461711/giz-explains-why-html5-isnt-going-to-save-the-internet]]>Feb 9th 2010 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 10:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 10th 2010 1:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
Sure, they are the last horse to cross that finish line, but the important thing is they crossed it. ]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Did you try downloading the 10.1 beta? It runs a bit better on my laptop now.]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 10th 2010 1:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
C'mon Adobe!]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/ Palm Pre already has the architecture for it...

How do you know this?
]]>Feb 10th 2010 5:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
Hey, great point. I can totally see where you're coming from. You are so right.]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Right, just how Google is named after a number, Apple is named after a fruit and Android is another name for robot.
Honestly, that is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. ]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
What "dedicated flash acceleration core"? Tegra just has an H.264 decoder like every other frickin' mobile chip! All that helps is video playback.

Even Tegra2 is lacking a vector graphics accelerator, whereas most competing chips have OpenVG acceleration hardware.]]>Feb 9th 2010 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/A: Longer than it takes to bring HTML5 to Android.]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
Technically HTML5 support came to Android with update 2.0 Eclair]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
/s]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/This was a bigger controversy than WebOS. ]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 8:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
"working together to make ensure the full Web experience can be delivered"

To make ensure... Sounds like proper language for someone working in PR at a major company... why not?]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
And, I do see the irony that I wrote "I'm read" - but then again, I'm not a PR guy...]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/Feb 9th 2010 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
I've waited on them for years, thru multiple platforms, to bring Flash to my mobile device, and it never materializes.

I don't see why they are all over Apple to use it on the iPhone...I doubt they can get it to work anyway. The time has come for them to release something or just forget the whole thing already.

I want Flash and I'm tired of waiting. At this rate, HTML5 will be widespread by the time they get their act together.]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/adobe-flash-10-1-will-require-some-enhancements-to-existing-ve/
"I've waited on them for years, thru multiple platforms, to bring Flash to my mobile device, and it never materializes."

N900?]]>Feb 9th 2010 8:50PM