http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/ Engadget Comments for AT&T selects LTE equipment suppliers, 'commercial deployment' planned for 2011 http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 8:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
heh]]>Feb 10th 2010 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 11:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Don't travel much do you? AT&T's 3G network is one of the slowest WCDMA I have used in the world. If it is so advanced, where is two-way video calling? Something that most equivalent WCDMA (3G) networks have had overseas since about 2001.

Verizon will have 20 LTE markets up and running by the end of this year. More like good luck AT&T, since they will now have a formidable competitor using the same technology as them. Therefore, no more getting the upper hand based on handset availability alone.
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Yes, both Verizon and AT&T will be using the same 4G technology. Verizon will also has the benefit of having access to their half owners (Vodafone's) 350 million subscriber strong handset buying power.

AT&T is only great when they are a monopoly, (eg Iphone WCDMA) they tend to trip over themselves when they have direct competition. Hence FIOS absolutely destroying crapverse. ]]>Feb 10th 2010 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Can't wait until my AT&T contract ends in November so I can switch to VZ.]]>Feb 16th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Nope, pretty sure Uverse is bad ass.]]>Feb 16th 2010 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 8:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Did you read the article? that's what they are doing.

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Also, FiOS is a shared connection, just FYI. ]]>Feb 10th 2010 9:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Yea, the FiOS run to your house isn't shared by anyone other than a few users in your house, which is then ran to an infrastructure that has much more capacity than your typical cellular network. Whereas on cellular the sharing is more obvious since the last link of cellular is shared by everyone with in x mile radius of the site which then funnels down to a smaller backhaul link (cramming 3 sectors 1 chan of HSPA). And yes they probably won't run fiber to a cell site that covers only farm fields...then again what company would if the demand doesn't warrant it?

Th3Claude, because sprint has less users and a lower ceiling to aim for right? ;-) ]]>Feb 10th 2010 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
If 500kbps isn't good enough for you then switch, but if that's all you are getting then apparently there's a lot more users on the site than you originally thought and the congestion is bringing it down since obviously the capacity of any cellular network does not compare to that of FiOS...

BTW the spec is 3.6mbps for that release of HSPA, not 3.2. It's a theoretical peak, it's rather foolish to expect that you'll always get those speeds on cellular like you get very near your theoretical peak on fiber/copper. No other cellular company provides that kinda of consistency near theoretical peak either, it's not guaranteed because that's the nature of the beast, so if you don't like it, then don't use it!]]>Feb 10th 2010 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
There is a difference between 'shared connection' and dedicated circuit. We all have shared connections as long as we are using the same internet. But make no mistake, FiOS connections are dedicated circuits. When you pay for 20Mbps, you get all of that and you're not sharing it with your 31 neighbors. This is because your ONT (house) can do 100 Mbps and the GPON can do 3.2Gbps - do the math. (BTW - This also means your FiOS connection can be 'upgraded' to 100Mbps without any equipment changes).


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Strange how I can download at a good 12 meg overseas using their 3G HSDPA networks. Networks that are usually located in cities with higher population density. Aka more usage already congesting the network.

AT&T Wireless = Dodgy + excuses
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The problem with 7.2mbps spec is that it doesn't actually increase capacity of the channel, it just lets you grab more of the channel's resources (10 of the HS-DSCH codes instead of 5 with 3.6mbps out of 15 total available HS-DSCH codes). Whereas HSPA+ 21mbps actually doubles (theoretically) the capacity of a WCDMA channel. ]]>Feb 10th 2010 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Love sprint till you have to call in or go to a store... ]]>Feb 10th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Why not deploy it then? AT&T can deploy these technologies in metro cities just as 3G WCDMA carriers are doing around the world. It says something that I calling my friends majicjack in Manhattan delivers a better experience than calling their 3GS iphone, which constantly drops.

I know when I tested a data card in Manhattan, I had over 600ms ping times, versus Sprint's 90ms.

I am also still waiting for 3G two-way video calling from AT$T, which is the norm in pretty much every other international 3G WCDMA network. ]]>Feb 10th 2010 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
One of their current goals is to increase backhaul to sites, they are starting with a handful of cities they listed in their 7.2mbit plans. This apparently includes a fiber build out which is important for 7.2mbit speeds, as well as laying a foundation to build HSPA+ and LTE on.

Apparently all the 3g sites have been upgraded to 7.2mbit on the air interface, its just whether each site has enough backhaul to push those speeds, not to mention having enough unused air/backhaul resources available.

All this talk doesn't only apply to AT&T either, Tmobile is in the same boat, sure their sites are all 7.2mbit now, but the speeds aren't there because the backhaul isn't there. It's just that America kinda sucks at that part for whatever reason...at least in the EU, their equivalent to a T1 (an E1) is 2mbps instead our T1's 1.5....already giving them an advantage of 1mbps if the bare minimum for a low demand site is 2 E or T carriers.

What has been seen though is that people outside of the list of initial 7.2mbit deployment cities have seen speeds > 3.6mbps. Meaning the HSPA spec was upgraded on sites, and there are some sites that do have enough backhaul to support the 7.2 HSPA spec bump.

Over the year and a half 3g has been deployed around my small midwest crap town, I have seen the benefits of the backhaul effort. Have been getting over 2mbit a lot, with a best of 3.2mbit the other night. So on that note, at least i'm seeing progress in my neck of the woods.

http://www.xti9.com/pics/3.2.jpg

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I know there are probably a lot of people still using an EDGE device, but it's really time to upgrade.]]>Feb 10th 2010 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Unfotunantely they will have edge around for a lil while longer due to the fact that there is nobody that produces four or five band 3g radios which would allow you to replace the aging quadband EDGE radios used by gsm carriers all over the world.. so the closer we get to 3g being a standard affair the sooner we are to phasing out EDGE.. but you still have wi-fi...]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
You can have coverage like Verizon and some capacity like AT&T, but ultimately you are the cowsumer choosing the carrier for your service. If you don't like it, move on.

BTW, GSM and Edge is still being deployed to this day in the USA. It will probably be another year or two before that goes stagnant. And then compare the deployment histories and it won't be surprising to see 3G going for another 4-5 years.

Keep in mind that part of this problem is how the 3G transport is assumed by whatever carrier (AT&T, T-Mobile, etc.). Only now are they moving away from ATM as the sole transport toward something more agnostic and with a lot more bandwidth.

And no carrier is going to deploy cellular to the sticks (ahem, farms) in the form of capacity. It'll be coverage for the few folks living out in the sticks. maybe consideration for a Microcell or Femtocell is in order.]]>Feb 10th 2010 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Heh. "cowsumer"

That's definitely the way I feel when boarding an airplane down one of those jetways at the airport sometimes. moooooooo]]>Feb 11th 2010 4:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/

bring on the chubby luke wilson commercials]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Mini rant: Maybe they'll decide to put coverage in areas were there are people switching to Verizon because VZW HAS coverage in an area that AT&T deemed to "not have a demographic." For example: Ada, Ohio. ]]>Feb 10th 2010 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
can you make phone calls (NO, NOT VOIP) on wimax?

just wondering....]]>Feb 10th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 10th 2010 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Not true. VZW's EVDO equipment will be able to upgrade to LTE.]]>Feb 10th 2010 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Verizon won't need to do that. Their CDMA network can deliver the voice aspect and the LTE network will deliver the data. I'd trust and trust Verizon's voice network over AT$T's shoddy faux network any day. Verizon could also activate the wideband 4g protocol on their CDMA network and deliver awesome sounding voice calls. ]]>Feb 10th 2010 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/@JKL

LOL! You 2 Vcast fanboys are funny ;^p...
UMB (the cdma evolution to 4G) is DEAD! Thats why Verizon crossed over to LTE (the gsm evolution to 4G).
http://mobile.engadget.com/2006/12/08/ev-do-revision-c-becomes-ultra-mobile-broadband/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/

And now they will have to pay to upgrade their network (i.e one reason why their q4 rev took a hit). There is no more tweaking of LAME AZZ CDMA which they should have dumped a long time ago. Now they WILL have to pay WELL for that LTE network changeover. Sayin...]]>Feb 10th 2010 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
LTE has a relatively direct progression path from both GSM and CDMA, (though from GSM it IS "more direct") being able to hand-off back and forth between either. UMB died because the largest CDMA carriers very likely wanted to move to something a bit more interoperable with the rest of the world. So, with little interest from carriers, Qualcomm canceled development.]]>Feb 11th 2010 5:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
I hope VZW has 10 mhz blocks ready in 850 in case their deployment fails. If there's a bright side to what they are doing, is that their LTE equipment will also be able to put out an HSPA+ signal if they need it to. Considering that it could get them the iPhone, I think it's worth VZW doing this. ]]>Feb 11th 2010 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/
Besides the fact that your 3g is based off CDMA technology? If it wouldn't have been for 3g you'd still be on edge.]]>Feb 12th 2010 11:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/atandt-selects-lte-equipment-suppliers-commercial-deployment-pl/Feb 13th 2010 3:11AM